Weighty.
Trying to lose weight is tricky for a feminist. I don’t mean that reading Jezebel somehow causes you to retain calories, but rather that it can be hard not to feel a bit defensive, as if you are abandoning the sisterhood by pursuing a more defined waistline. “I’m trying to lose weight” ends up followed by “…healthily of course—I mean I’m trying to eat better and exercise and yes, I do want to be smaller, but not because I think I have to be a size two—there are plenty of strong, fit, larger women I’d be happy to look like (not that there is anything wrong with being an UN-fit larger woman, and not that I hate my body and need to resemble someone else), and women don’t have to be a certain size to be appealing (not that being appealing is all that important, or that women should be judged by whether or not they appeal to some arbitrary standard of beauty), and anyway…I’ll have the salmon. Sauce on the side.”
I’ve been thinking about it, though, and the more I think about it, the more this semi-shamefaced approach to weight loss annoys me. The idea that women who wish to lose weight do so only because they’ve been brainwashed by the patriarchy is insulting. Surely proponents of said idea are not suggesting these women are simply too dull-witted to realize they’ve been had by clever marketing departments? After all, it is hard to argue that we are the intellectual equals of men whilst simultaneously denigrating our decision-making abilities.
Additionally, I find the notion that by wanting leaner bodies we are betraying some vague ideal of acceptance to be, to put it bluntly, bullshit. Being overweight isn’t particularly healthy, but the fact that I would like to be thinner is not an endorsement of the position that all women should have thighs like chopsticks. Am I less of a feminist because I want to be able to find my abdominal muscles or wear jeans without my flesh mutinously surging over the waistband? Isn’t the pigeonholing of women into compartments labeled “smart” or “pretty,” “career woman” or “mother,” “feminist” or “fond of shoes,” getting a wee bit old?
A few weeks ago, we had a visit from a home care nurse. After she had drawn Simone’s blood, she opened a band-aid and let out a little moan.
“Oh, no,” she said, “I’m so sorry!”
I leaned in to see, wondering whether she had accidentally grabbed a package of MRSA-brand bandages by mistake.
But no.
“It’s Spiderman,” she sighed, “I thought I’d brought you Barbie.”
I looked at my bald, seven-pound daughter. Oddly enough, she seemed unconcerned.
“Spiderman’s better than Barbie,” I said, wondering if I was really having this conversation with a health care professional.
The nurse laughed, “Your husband would prefer it?”
(Actually, my husband might, seeing as Mary Jane was responsible for his sexual awakening some twenty-plus years ago).
“No,” I said, “I would.”
Frankly, I don’t care if Simone wears a Barbie band-aid. She is, after all, an infant. But the relentless gender-identification of babies does make me want to vomit, preferably all over a spangled “DIVA!” onesie. When she was first big enough to wear clothes, Simone’s best-fitting sleeper was from the gender-neutral section at Gymboree. It was yellow, and featured tiny trees and dogs, some playing frisbee, surrounded by the words “dig,” “sniff,” and “bark.” The boy’s section carried an identical sleeper in blue.
The pink version in the girl’s section, however, was different, printed with the words “pretty pup” and pictures of a girl dog receiving a flower from a male suitor. If you’re wondering how I could tell the sexes of these dogs without seeing their undercarriages, it was simple: the girl dog was a white poodle with poofy hair and a bow on top.
Despite the perfect fit, I stuck to the yellow model, as just seeing the disparity between the other two made my skin crawl. But I don’t think putting Simone in a jumper covered with flowers is dooming her to a life of vacuuming in pearls. She wears quite a bit of pink, and the occasional dress—along with a set of blue nautical-themed onesies from the boy’s section. When she’s old enough to choose her clothes she can wear whatever she damn well pleases. It isn’t important that she doesn’t wear a Barbie band-aid, merely that she doesn’t think she has to.
When I was little, my favorite television show was Donna Reed, and my parents were terrified that I would grow up into Alexa P. Keaton, Phyllis Schlafly acolyte and 50s throwback. But of course while the messages our children receive from the media are influential, much more influential is imparting the ability to view these messages critically. I would hope that if Simone struggles with her weight as an adult, she will be able to distinguish dissatisfaction with her body from hate of it. Wanting to change your appearance and taking healthy steps to do so is not the same as fasting your way into a pencil skirt. And as for my recently-embarked-upon quest for a less lumpy silhouette, one reader expressed surprise, and asked whether this is what clever, educated women do in America. I suppose to that I would say that if she means making the choice to take charge of our health and care for our bodies, even if it means eschewing bacon, then yes. Yes it is.


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Excellently said! I’d applaud you, but I have a mutinous flesh problem, and chewing (what were those extra letters for up there?) all this bacon is hard to manage at the same time….
My favourite television shows when a highly- impressionable youngster were The A Team and the Dukes of Hazzard. Why my tyres spend any time at all touching the road these days is consequently a mystery to me.
If only the eating habits of a lifetime were as easy to step away from as my childhood impressions of safe driving.
You are so smart. I like that about you.
Very well said, Alexa!
You cleverly put in words my uneasiness with this feminist/weight loss issue- I am so grateful.
Well said.
Lily
Well put! I started my weight loss (sorry, getting rid of weight - usually when you lose something you try and find it again) program because I wanted to feel good about myself, not because of what society dictates. And fitting into my clothes and not having flab hanging over my pants makes me feel good. And I have more energy, which is always a good thing!
I have not reached my goal yet but slow is better. Healthy living is clearly the best way to lose weight.
Re the gender thing, I did buy a lot of pink things for my daughter but she also wore blue as well. If she had lived I would have let her wear whatever she felt comfortable in. My sister refused to wear a dress most of her childhood and is no worse off for it now.
Gatito recently started saying, “Pink is for girls!” and it’s making me crazy. He hasn’t even started school yet, so who told him that? Even when he goes to choose his jelly bean reward for potty training, he says that the pink ones are for his nanny. WTF?
Oh dear. My ’surprise’ was that you would want to join weight watchers so soon after giving birth and in the context of establishing & maintaining breast feeding. Of course losing weight can be a healthy choice. Australia has just been announced to have the most obese population in the world- I always thought that was America’s particular speciality, but no we have taken the lead! I agree weight loss is a feminist issue but I was referring to a different issue than the one you have outlined. I think there is enormous pressure on women to return to their girlish figures as soon as possible after birth.
My surprise was that rather than allowing your body to adjust in its own time and focussing on eating the best possible foods for breast feeding you would choose to diet. Maybe I sound like a full on breast feeding fanatic & maybe that’s what I am. Maybe I don’t understand what weight watchers has to offer. Probably I don’t. I do think that as women we need to take charge of our health. I’m just not always convinced of the validity of the ‘health’ messages we receive.
I’m currently on a *Points* journey myself. Being healthy and strong is good, no matter your gender.
Amen, Sister!
Nice post. I’m finding the Paul McKenna thing is working for me both in terms of body shape acceptance and in terms of losing weight - and my first big motivation to lose weight was a (non-pregnant) mild blood sugar issue. I think I felt more OK, and more motivated, when losing weight because of a health issue than because of a body image issue.
I like your juxtaposition of the weight issue and the pink issue, because it highlights how strangely extreme the options are for negotiating gender at the moment and how hard it is to just feel comfortable in your body and try to live healthily and happily without getting caught up in a cultural tug-of-war. I changed my name when I got married, and that brings up some of the same issues - what’s your take on that one? (I did hesitate, because I worried it would send a message of ‘I am not a feminist’, but I wanted to have the same name as my husband and my hoped-for children; also my husband’s previous wife didn’t take his name and quite quickly dumped him, so I wanted to show him I really meant it.)
I’m at a point where my YDD (3) wants to wear dresses. So many people want to talk her out of them and into pants or ‘boyish’ clothes but I think it’s making her more steadfast in her choice! If they’d shut up once in awhile she’d wear something else just because it was ‘next’! I don’t push dresses, I can work with most anything - but she LOVES them! Yes, at 3 yrs old it seems to be ’set’! Oh, and she wore Dalmations bandaids the last time she had one!
I am constantly torn between not wanting to impart any gender stereotypes on my daughter, wanting people to know she’s a girl (without hair as she may be), and oooo look at the HOT PINK! My parents pushed gender neutral on me to the point that I want to rebel in pink and flowers sometimes, so I don’t want to do that either. But I want her to know how to fix her toilet, assemble something from Ikea, and buy a new car on her own. I don’t like Barbie, but more from a mass marketing of an out of date feminine ideal (same thing with those f-in princesses) than from a generic gender sterotype. Spiderman is acceptable because its a good character, female characters seem to be nothing more than helpless in a pretty dress. However, I’d rather a plain bandaid so that she can make her own choices and be her own woman rather than a marketers pawn.
Oh, and go healthy! My mom is fat and she always justified it with feminism, while I just wanted to make sure she was around as long as possible so I could embarass her more. I’m fat too, but its not about feminism, I’m just lazy (and suffering from nasty hormone issues).
YES!
That is all.
My 3 year old has a LOVE for princesses, I do mean LOVE. He wants to be one, he wants to kiss one, he wants to dress like one…all of which is fine by me although Belle at Disneyland was a little taken back by his desire to get to first base. He has worn an old flouncy maternity top, an old Xmas tree skirt & a 20 year old prom dress to be a princess…I think my husband died a little when he saw the prom dress. I like his young mind that doesn’t know that most boys don’t wear dresses. He becomes one bc he wants to & that is so simple & beautiful & perfect!
I think you have put it well. Being healthy and fit and able to wear whatever we want are feminist issues. Do be patient with yourself - it took 9 months to put the weight on and it will take a while to come off, breastfeeding or no. I breastfed all of my kids and I’m one of those women who just didn’t lose all the weight until I was able to be a lot more active when they were bigger. Everyone’s metabolism is different.
When my daughters were little they were really into girly clothing, fancy dresses and PINK. Now one is in high school and one in college and they both wear a mix of things traditionally feminine and not and more importantly don’t feel bound by stupid ideas about what constitutes proper girl roles. So don’t assume the little kid ideas are what prevails.
I feel like we’ve talked about this before, but I’m right behind you. I agree with ALL of it. ALL OF IT. Raising girls, wanting to be healthy — all of it.
Instead of being about choice, and about being conscious about those choices, decisions and lessons we teach our daughters, feminism has become a set of fake rules that really equate to nothing without thought or consideration.
I’m sick and tired of people clinging to outdated notions of feminism (god forbid you change your name, lose weight or shave) and implying that anyone who doesn’t abide by those rules is a failure.
Such bullshit.
I always laughed because, of course, I did not have 9 months to put weight on.
More like 7 months.
It will come. I’ve heard wonderful things about the Weight Watchers system for nursing mothers. I know of quite a few women who have gotten their weight into a healthy range while protecting their milk supply.
Nice thoughts. I am doing my darndest to raise a little feminist. Right now my biggest battle is waged against those damn Disney princesses.
All I want to know is…how can you think and write so critically when you have a baby in the house?
Yes!
Alexa, you said it all so well. Losing weight has many health benefits and of course, everyone has a right to be happy about how they look. My husband is obsessed with losing his pot belly (I think it’s cute) but he doesn’t worry that it’s affecting his job or how people treat him in stores or on the train. That’s where it is different for women. But you’re right, as intelligent people we can choose to lose weight or exercise or not, not because of society but because of ourselves.
And I have to say, Simone was 7 lbs a few weeks ago? Wow! How big is she now?
nice.
I started seeing my friends in a new light when I opened their gifts for our 5.6 lb preemie girl. Take, for example, the tiniest string bikini I have ever seen. In blue, because “I know you hate pink things!”
Well said/written! My only concern is that in the life of any youngling, the influx of marketing and human trait of “I want that!” far proceeds the development of capacity for critical thought.
So, do I appear the arbitrary parent, “No, you can’t have it, because the people who want to sell it to you are eeeevil! (A.K.A. I said so)” or give in and hope to undo the early programming with much parental guidance when the child is speaking in and understanding complete sentences?
Well said, as always, Alexa! I am one of those “lucky” few who naturally maintain a societally-pleasing shape with (I would say little, but that would imply at least SOME and I don’t want to be lying, here) no particular diet or exercise except that I don’t eat slices of butter on crackers (I KNOW, RIGHT? But my husband actually does this. Euch!) and have a handy-dandy GI response to stress that gets RIGHT ON RID OF any extra pounds I may start to accumulate from time to time. I mean, I’m a size eight, but I happen to think an eight is just about perfect for my height (just over 5′6) and build, and am always shocked when people refer to this as a “larger” size because I’ve gone as far down as a loose six as an adult in times of stress and thought I looked HORRIBLE–gaunt, baggy, fragile, asexual. My husband (not that I care what he thinks, for the record) seems to prefer me scrawny like that but TOO BAD, PAL–he only sees that side of me after a hospitalization or something. Personally (HUGE overshare ahead!) I used to date girls back in the day and I always liked someone whose hipbones wouldn’t put anyone’s eye out, who felt nice to snuggle up to rather than looked fabulous playing frisbee in a bikini…so it is, in a way, hard for me to reconcile people making those half-complimentary, half-hateful remarks in dressing rooms of “oh, you could just wear ANYTHING and look good, I wish I had it that easy!” I want to grab them and say “YOU CAN HAVE MY BODY, IT IS SICK AND BROKEN AND UNRELIABLE–I WOULD GIVE ANYTHING TO BE YOUR SIZE FOURTEEN, AND HAVE MY SKIN NOT SLIP OFF OF ME BECAUSE OF FAULTY COLLAGEN FIBERS, AND NOT HAVE TO WORRYING ABOUT MOST LIKELY DYING BEFORE FIFTY.” Sometimes I feel like I should wear a t-shirt, something along the lines of “I am a feminist. I would be a fat feminist except that I am sick. If you offer jokingly to trade bodies with me and take on my illness I will smack you in the face with my handbag and run home, crying.” It’s never easy, is it? And baby girl clothes? Ugh.
I totally, completely agree with you. I think the equating of health with bowing to media/social pressure is asinine. When you’re healthy, YOU feel better. When your clothes fit, YOU want to do more things, because YOU feel more confident, because YOU like the way you look. It’s one of those “I am woman, hear me roar things”, and it makes not one whit of difference if any other person in the world notices.
In fact, I honestly believe that getting healthy (which does NOT mean getting pin thin) is one of the ONLY pure “just for you” things that is left. A good piece of writing begs to be read. A great song begs to be heard. A beautiful painting begs to be seen. But working to make your body feel the way you know it should; the way you know you feel better? It doesn’t matter if anyone else notices. It’s enough that you feel awesome.
I applaud you, for your efforts and for this post.
Carbon:
Excellent point. Obviously there are some things that I simply will not buy for Simone, however much she might like them (um, anything issuing from the execrable Bratz franchise, for instance). I just mean that I will try to remember that in most cases, providing alternatives is more important than controlling access.
Awesome post Alexa. You can’t win on either side, it seems, so you might as well go with what is best for you (and your health).
My toddler is in full on gender identification stage - meaning she can only wear pink sundresses because everything else is for boys (shudder to think). About once a week I can sneak in another color, but it still has to be a dress. It really doesn’t bother me too much, because I am pretty sure it will pass, but I have had several moms comment that they would “never” dress their girls in pink. Never? Is it that bad? As you suggest, as long as it does not say something over the top on it, like DIVA!, who cares?
And, the Bratz? Totally suck-filled. Hate them.
But, I love your blog. You rock.
I was an early Feminist,(womans Libber) in the 60’s.
I also was the only nursing mother in the hospital with all 4 of my kids. No coaches, except my mom. Also never worried about weight because I always lost more than I gained, but that isn’t why I’m here to say.
We fought for freedom from being told not to be boyish in actions, or dress. It isn’t feminist not to maintain a healthy body.
I applaud youe post. Now can we send this post to a clothes maker for the more weighty, curvy women. If they could get on board with this, I could buy clothes that fit and are more attractive.
Just, yes. Yes, and some more yes. And I (whispering now) am planning cosmetic surgery to repair damage from 4 pregnancies, 4 sections, 1 botched gall bladder removal and cumulative time of at least 5 years of breastfeeding. And I resist telling other women! Why? Because I’m somehow not “accepting my badges of honor”, or “embracing my maturing self”, or some such nonsense. Bullshit. I gave all my youth, gratefully, for the last 13 years to these wonderful children, and if we can afford to get back a bit of my old body, after I’ve hit the WEIGHT AT WHICH I FEEL BEST, then dammit, we’re doing it. And don’t tell me I’m buying into anything. I’m doing this for ME. Because I WANT TO.
There. ENOUGH CAPS ALREADY!!!
That was spot on! I’ve been having a hard time finding the right words and you said it perfectly. Simone is a lucky girl to have you for a mother.
Simply: You go girl!
Have you noticed, though, that the biggest reactions are not about girls wearing or doing “boy” things, but the opposite? Since having a son, I realize that “boy” things are more and more often considered gender-neutral, but “girl” things are strictly off-limits for boys. (E.g., do you think if you had a boy, you’d put him in anything from the girls department? I did a little bit when mine was an infant, but in a very self-conscious and self-righteous way. )
I loved your preamble to the salmon order, and you are so right. (Nobody better try to steal your arguments and use them in defense of breast augmentation, however …)
I’ve face a lot of the same conflict with mothering a daughter. Having been a mother to a boy for 11 years before having a daughter, I found the girly clothes with the “princess” themes annoying and deliberately avoided them. Now that she’s old enough, she often chooses those clothes. And while I know it kinda defeats the point, I sometimes say, “No.” Mainly because it ANNOYS ME. Hehe.
She wanted Dora sheets for her bed, which I was fine with because I kinda love Dora, but I also bought her Diego sheets. She loves them too.
I think I just try to expose her to everything, and I often discourage the pink choices she makes simply because it makes me crazy.
She is currently sporting a Scooby Doo bandaid on her knee, by the way.
omg. I loved the Donna Reed Show too!! Why is it not still on?
Bravo! I wholeheartedly agree with you. I never understood why some women persecute members of their own sex because they choose certain things that “go against” the feminist notion of a modern woman. Isn’t being a feminist really just about the right to choose? And isn’t one of those choices taking care of themselves? How about being a stay-at-home mom? We need to get over ourselves and realize that no matter what choices we make, we should honor those choices because that’s exactly what gives us power- the choice.
I cried during my first visit to Macy’s baby department, at six months pregnant. All the boy-baby clothes had footballs. Or they were camouflage-print. Useful, doncha know, when a baby’s coming under heavy fire in his playpen.
I went home and bought ten million gender-neutral Zutano and Hanna Andersson clothes on the web. It made me poor but at least the kid looks like a baby, not a Special Ops linebacker.
The thing about Dora and Diego that bugs me is that you have this great strong female character, “Dora the Explorer” — and what do they do? Make her male cousin *so much cooler*. HE gets to be a “Rescue Ranger”. Bah.
We’re currently into Curious George bandaids in our house. They seem oddly apropos :)
Oh! Oh! And here is what I also do not understand: Why is pink bad? I mean, of course thinking you MUST wear pink because you are a girl and thus burdened with a lack of clothing choices is bad. But the whole gender-neutral thing introduces this other issue, where to be successful or valid, you must not be too girly.
I’d rather know someone who wears pink every day but has no problem kicking ASS in pink than someone who wears gender-neutral colors because she thinks it’s important not to be identified as overly female. As if there even IS such a thing. It’s just a color, yo.
I SO have a post in me about this, especially in the context of the short-skirted, fishnet-stockinged land of roller derby. Someday.
I love this topic! Thanks for bringing it up. I love your writting so much. I can’t wait to see how Simone grows up!
I love this post because I’m currently struggling with a very different body after this baby—and how do I say that I really really want to be thinner someday like I was before and still be a feminist?
I do get the woman who questioned you because it’s true, women are pressured by society to look perfect right afterwards. Celebrities endlessly trumpeting their instant weight loss after giving birth drive me nuts for example.
That said, I know that Weight Watchers has a breastfeeding moms/post-partum angle on the plan, so it is very different from most diets.
And DoctorMama had a good point about dressing boys in pink. I sometimes do, and lord the comments I get. A doctor we know actually told me I’d give my son a gender identity disorder from the pink blanket he was wrapped in. I mean, WTF?!?
And even if he did switch genders someday, who cares?
People are so stupid.
Honestly, so much of the business about colors kids wear is really about homophobia. Why can’t people just admit that they are trying to control sexuality, which is none of their bloody business?
losing weight is fine– esp after a baby– your body just grew another person– of course you have a little extra hanging around– although if you keep breastfeeding it will eventually fall off– mine did— without any effort on my part besides only have one bowl of ice cream every night as opposed to two!
You’re so on to something here. The link between feminism, the body, and gender identification. I know for me, personally, I have this deep-down feeling that after this baby comes (any minute!), I’ll be ready to lose the weight I have been “holding onto” for like 20 years! Of course, that’s after I get a good start at BFing, of course. I think now that I know how physically challenging it is to be a mother (soon to be of 2 under 2!), I want to be strong and fast for their sake, not just mine. WW nursing program, here i come!
And I dress my 19 mos old daughter in tons of pink mostly b/c she looks adorable in pink b/c she’s very fair. And bald (so the pink SHOULD help tell the world she’s a girl but it doesn’t). But I hate the princess crap–esp the “I am a little princess” stuff that abounds–and I refuse to let her have any of it. Someday, when she’s 4 or so, I know she’ll be into the Disney princesses but it seems sick to have a newborn in a pink “shopaholic” or something else onesie.
Well put, and thank you for saying it. I personally don’t care what people label me as (well, as long as it doesn’t get me arrested), but I am a group exercise instructor at a gym, and I spend some part of the day, 6 days a week, at the gym. I control my weight and take my health seriously, and it IS a little tiring to be labeled as “frivolous” for it.
Alexa! P.! Keaton!
BWA HA HA HA HA!
Yes! This! This post is made of win. As a feminist and and a newly minted fat activist, I couldn’t find the words to express how I felt about weight loss. Thanks for finding them for me!
Exactly! Very well put, Alexa!
Bravo! I had to stand up and clap before I posted this comment. I just returned from a visit with my parents who have never taken care of their health or their weight and are now paying big time for their past mistakes. I want to be FIT and HEALTHY for my kids and my grandkids. I want to be able to travel to see my grandkids and get down on the floor and play with them. I don’t give a rat’s ass how I LOOK - it’s the way I FEEL that matters to me.
I lost 100lbs on Weight Watchers. Thats what it had to offer to me. (in regards to a reader’s comment)
But anyway- you have to do what makes you happy. I’m gaining a baby bump and a serious fat mutiny issue that I’m going to have to wrestle once I have my baby. But until then…. :) we’ll see
I’m choosing to attempt the weight loss thing because I need to be healthy to keep up with my kids. I lack so much energy being obese(YES, Obese!) and it’s just hard to keep up. Plus, that whole heart attack and diabetes thing. That would blow.
And, not to mention, I look even more like my donordad who chose long ago to not be in my life. Who would want to look like the person that abandoned them?(Thank goodness for my step father that adopted me.)
As for the clothing thing… I had 3 boys first and knew that if I ever had a girl that I wouldn’t have to worry about a wardrobe with how much our families were chomping at the bit for a little girl to dress. And I was right. But, we did end up with pretty much ALL pink at the shower. Not to mention that on the occasion I can(or need) to shop for clothes for either of my daughters, I do gravitate toward the cutesy girly stuff. I can’t help myself. After having so much unisex clothing with my oldest two and so much BLUE after having 3 boys in a row, yeah… what can I say.
Totally see your point though, by the way. And I don’t even disagree with you.
At least my oldest daughter is a girl that likes to have her girlie side AND her tomboy side. She loves to wear dresses, but will wear that dress outside and promptly jump in the pool with it on and cover herself in mud and try to chase bugs ;).
Damn, I love that kid.
Read through a few comments and had to comment on 2 things that were previously mentioned(just because I LOOOVE bandwagons)!
#1. I haven’t done weight watchers.. always have a hard time sticking to it. But! My mother has lost nearly 50 lbs on it. I THANK WW, because it very well may have saved my moms life. Her BP is lower now, she’s having less problems with swelling, and is just SO much healthier. She also exercises and walks every day. I’m SUPER proud of that woman.
#2. Bratz dolls are horrible and there will never be one in my home. Period. All I can see when I look at one of them is “Hi. I’m in training to be a slutty bitch. Now go buy me some new Prada shoes and a tote bag for my puppy.”
Random list of things on the topic of gender:
1. As a “hippie” raising my two boys born respectively in 1975 and 1978 we started out with a strict no guns in the house rule. Turns out, little boys make guns out of EVERYthing.
2. The older one wanted a Barbie doll when he was about 3 because his best friend was the 8 year old daughter of MY best friend and she had one. So… we got him one.
3. We had friends with two daughters pretty much the same age as our sons. The younger one never ever wore a dress of any sort. One day on the way to their house I referred to her as “she” and Alec (younger son about 4 at the time) looked completely gobsmacked and said “Audrey’s a GIRL??!!??”
As far as wanting to lose weight goes, I was blessed with good genes (thanks Mom) so I mostly don’t think about it. I’ll shut up now.
I think I shall just sit down here and applaud.
And some of my favourite clothes for my daughter were distinctly ‘boys’ clothes. But they were gorgeous and comfortable for her.
i have a 4 year old boy who LOVES to have his nails painted, particularly pink and red. my husband rolls his eyes every time, but i can’t come up with a good reason why he should have painted nails. he also has an affinity for pink and purple clothing, crayons, shoes, etc…he’ll either end up his own person and take hints from me and not care what anyone else thinks, or he’ll give into peer pressure and wear blue. either way, as long as he’s happy, i don’t care.
so my point…good for you and i’m glad there’s at least one other “crazy parent” out there, too!
correction…I can’t come up with a good reason he SHOULDN’T have painted nails. in fact, his nails are neon pink right now!
In my younger days, I was also a Dukes fan and desired, as a result, a Dukes of Hazzard Big Wheel. Not the Daisy Duke one that mom pleaded with me to choose, but the Bo and Luke one — and I got it. And I wanted to run topless at age five because all my friends in our neighborhood were boys and that’s what they did, and it sent our neighbors into a frenzy at my exposure — explain that to a five-year-old. Absurd.
My own four-year-old becomes giddy with excitement at skirts and long hair. And that rolls just fine with me.
Hopefully, (based on the above comments) we’re starting to undo some of this nonsense.
And my four-year-old is a flowy-skirt-loving boy.
So true. Good health is good health, and consciously losing weight shouldn’t make a woman feel like a cultural puppet. I think there’s such a balance to strike, because too thin is unhealthy too, but by and large I think it’s about being happy with yourself, however that looks.
On another tangent, I always thought I’d keep my last name when I got married because I really liked my name. But I ended up liking my hubby’s name just as well, and it never gets misspelled or mispronounced (unlike my original last name - and by the way, is not the term ‘maiden name’ a bit annoying?), so I happily changed it without feeling like I was losing my identity. One of my closest friends, when she found out, said - and I quote - “How 50s of you.” OUCH. Like if I’m changing my name it must be because I have no self-respect and am bowing to the patriarchal machine. That seemed like a real feminist mindf$!k to me.
On the gender-color topic, I must say, I’m 7 1/2 months pregnant with my first kid, a girl, and it so happens that by and large I absolutely hate the color pink. Some pinks are okay, especially in color combinations like pink and brown, but that special girl-baby shade of pink makes my skin crawl. My mom and mother-in-law, despite our blunt and frequent requests to not get any pink baby clothes, seem to be trying to dress her like a Victorian doll or something. There are so many cool baby clothes out there - I have even put many of them on my registry to make their lives easier - and instead they get these awful concoctions with these evil floppy collars that make me think of a baby version of the Church Lady from old SNL shows. Anyway, my point is that it makes me nuts how unless you really look for them, it’s hard to find baby girl clothes that aren’t pink from head to toe, and that the forcing of gender color identification from birth really bugs the hell out of me. When she’s old enough to choose her own clothes, she can wear pink morning, noon and night, but as long as I am choosing her clothes there will be NO PINK. For me it’s both feminist and frankly just as much aesthetics motivated.
Oh, but best of all is my husband’s crazy aunt, who likes to get people things that are ‘really unique and they’re going to love’, which means totally disregarding the registry displaying everything the person has decided they really want. I hear from a reliable source that she is planning - and I could not make this up - to get my future daughter a leopard-print onesie that says “Born to Shop” spelled out in rhinestones. This for the daughter of a woman who does 98% of her shopping online so I don’t have to deal with crowds, stores, traffic, or, well, people. ;) (Honestly, I mostly shop for books; clothes and shoes are far less frequent purchases.) I may actually burn the onesie just for therapy. What really gets me is that I am going to have to write a thank-you note for it. GAH.
Um, sorry that was so long. I didn’t realize quite how much I was ranting. You happened to hit on a couple topics that are very much on my mind…
You state you want abdominal muscles and no flab over jeans — but why?
Perhaps you’ve internalized the cultural ideal of beauty — which is currently prominent abs and slender hips to fit tight, low slung jeans.
Why not wear jeans a size bigger so they fit correctly?
Why not have really nice triceps instead of the very difficult abs?
One goal is no better than the other, but I find it telling that in a post that addresses, among others, the cultural ‘baggage’ of both gender and weight loss, you state you don’t want to feel guilty for weight loss… to achieve goals that might not even be meaningful outside that very culture.
I’m not judging you — I lost 100 lbs myself and went down to a size 0 in my pursuit of this — but having been obese, chunky, anorexic, athletic, thick athletic, emaciated dancer athletic, and soccer mom shaped, all by 25, I’ve thought about it a lot: the shape I would chose and the shape society would choose for me.
You don’t want to feel bad for wanting to look good, but your very definition of looking good IS defined by the patriarchy. It’s what men like right now. It’s not what they liked 100 years ago, what they like right now in Africa, what they will like in the future.
That said, there’s nothing wrong with that. You don’t live in a vacuum. How can anyone note be influenced by the culture they live in? Of course, the real issue, I guess, is the greater influence men have over this area. *shrug*
Okay, Alexa, I love your blog and I think you are really smart. However, some of the comments are making me nuts. I’ve not commented about anything else, but now I’m just irritated…
I want to fit into my jeans, and other clothes, because I don’t have the money to keep buying new ones. How hard is that to understand? Lots of us don’t have the money to replace clothes on a regular basis, so I need to be able to wear the ones I already have. (Actually, it’s not much of an issue for me; at age 43, I weigh the same as I did in high school, but it’s all in different places.)
And the whole shopping thing with your kids? Is the concept of looking at your child and saying “no” an unknown one to all of you? Take it from an old mom (oldest is 22, youngest is 12), saying “no” and telling your young children “because it costs too much” and “you don’t need it” are perfectly acceptable if not downright emotionally healthy things to say. This works when the daughters are teenagers, btw. How do you keep you daughter from wearing that awful, inappropriate outfit? Don’t buy it. Don’t give her the money to buy it on her own. If she does, drive back to the store and return it. If she cuts the tags off, you throw it away. If she tried to wear her friends’ stuff, she’s grounded. It’s pretty simple. Not easy, but not complicated either.
Alexa~ You are on the same journey that I am taking myself. Good luck to you in getting healthy. We don’t need to be a size two anymore , but that stuff hanging over the tops of our pants is not attractive. :) Good Luck and best wishes!
a. feminist or not it’s easy to wish your body was less mushy. i get sick of lookin’ at it if it’s on me. i’m a scientist… i gots first-hand experience in what it’s like to be = 0.5 x penis. i mean, i can’t get involved in feminist rules, i have to just be strong… and if i want to be thinner, then that’s my choice which is what i fight for… the ability to make my own choices.
b. my son is 4 and a half. he loves pink, sparkles, princesses and naipolish. oh, and dancing, lots of dancing. i’d say it’s easier for society to accept your spiderman-wearing daughter than my ‘boy-nailpolish’-wearing son. see, it’s still better to act like a boy than act like a girl!
i’m so disappointed in life right now, you can’t trust anything i say. :)
There was a very interesting study that I read years ago. Researchers took boys and girls infants and toddlers and dressed them in girl/boy clothes and watched people play with them. People changed their behaviour based on the clothes the children wore and interpreted the children’s behaviour differently. So clothes do matter, and so do what we think boys/girls are like.
I have a great book for you. It is called Fat is a Feminist Issue by Susie Orbach. It was a revelation for me and changed my weight. I lost the weight and have kept it off for 25 years.
God speed and good luck on the trail to becoming more healthy. My goal has always been to ignore the scale and be happy when I look in the mirror. It helps that the huz is happy with the results. I also feel that I am a feminist, but I don’t equate being healthy with unrealistic and unattainable.
The pink thing? Argh. Isn’t it annoying. I’ve been the opposite, in that most of my life I have avoided pink and the like because they were too “girly” and I didn’t want to not be taken seriously. Now, I’ve finally determined that I like pink and darn it, I should be able to wear whatever I want.
Also have to agree with the other commenters, having a boy that wears pink and other so called girly colors (ie anything other than blue) is beyond aggravating. It’s time for the world to realize that gay men are not the only ones that can wear color!
You can totally be a feminist and hate your muffin top. I don’t know, however, if you can be a feminist and hate ACTUAL muffins. I’ll have to check the handbook.
I like to frequently fuck with people’s perceptions about my boy. So I dress him in a boyish outfit and then slap a pink pacifier and Trumpette ballet slipper socks on his feet. People are like, “What a cute little….. baby!” Cuz they just don’t know what they are looking at.
I completely agree with you on this post!!! Completely! Very well stated!
The whole gender-appropriate issue has always irritated me. My friend gave me a box of toys to pass on to my nephew. When my nephew was pulling all the wonderful new things out of the box, my brother was very quick to take the doll from him and get rid of it. I didn’t and still don’t understand why people think that little boys shouldn’t play with dolls and girls shouldn’t play with trucks. Don’t little boys grow up with the huge chance of playing with babies and little girls with the chance of driving trucks?
The pink clothes thing makes me mad. While I was pregnant I couldn’t believe how some stores wouldn’t have anything that was not pink, purple or white with pink and purple for sale.
I’d say that 90% of the gifts my daughter’s gotten were pink. If it wasn’t for the outfits I bought her, she would always look like a big, babbling macaroon.
Oh, and I actually had a saleswoman hesitate in selling me a jumper from the boys section because it was blue and had a giraffe on it. Giraffes, you know, those macho, macho beasts…
If you consider loosing some weight within the field of “decision-making abilities” you might be trapped already in the dieting trap(you dont’t want to be as skinny as before your marriage like on a photograph, do you? You looked like a child on that picture, and now you’re not a child any more, nothing wrong with it).
When you’re a young mother it is biologically completely healthy to have some fat reserves. This will be changing quite naturally if you dont’t focus on it to much, maybe after a year or two. Loosing weight is quite a complex physiological thing,it should not be interferred by diets and jojo effects, only by decisions like eat as variable as possible and cook really good meals every day.
I agree with your critics on gender specific colours. This is only a marketing strategie to make girls buy Barbies and stuff later on. I loved french baby clothes, too, they are so wonderfully designed with beautiful mixed colors. My little boy wore a lot of turquoise combined with pink or red(shoes, I still have them! Helooked beautiful in it as a blondie.
I find my own weight loss issues are very much tied-up with my perfectionism. It’s something I’ve discussed with my therapist a lot. I have such a hard time being okay with my body because I want so badly to be in control of it. I’ve never had a full-blown eating disorder but I know that psychologically I’m on that continuum. (Must add here that this is my issue, not suggesting it’s yours, but I did want to add this viewpoint since I hadn’t seen it in the comments so far.) So for me I have always had a internal tug-of-war about whether I wanted to lose weight because I wanted to be healthier or because I was being sucked into a mindset again where I had no worth if I wasn’t conforming to an (self-imposed, unattainable) ideal. I still don’t know half the time where I stand but I do try to relax as much as possible when it comes to body-image and not get depressed about being imperfect.
As an aside, after my first pregnancy I found that while I lost a lot of weight at first I could do NOTHING about the last 10-15 lbs. It didn’t start coming off until I stopped breastfeeding and even then it took almost a year to get back to my pre-pregnancy(ish) weight. This time around it’s happening again. So if you find it’s going slow, don’t get discouraged. If you want it to come off it will, it just might take longer than usual.
Well said, my dear. Just very well said.
(Except for the part about eschewing bacon. I just…don’t think I can do that.)
As an official member of the Fat Girls Club, I can tell you that it is far easier being thin than fat. You feel better, you look better, it is easier to find nice clothes (and far less expensive). And since you feel better and society is far more accepting of you, you will be happier and happy moms are good moms.
So don’t ever feel bad about wanting to be the best person you can be….just do it.
I’m trying too and will be thinking about you and your sweet little girl.
I truly do not understand all the hoopla about Pink…I mean I do not feel like my mother “harmed” me in the least by dressing me girly. She loved making us clothes, dresses, strawberry shortcake wrap around shirts, and yet by some aparent MIRACLE, I am not still wearing excessive ruffles, or strawberry shortcake clothes (though I must confess I saved my sheets and quilt from my childhood days)…. my point is this, whether or not you slap *gasp* pink clothes on your baby with the DREADED princess or diva words on them, doesnt mean you are going to magically turn said child into a princess or diva (though I will argue that 9 out of 10 CHILDREN–boys and girls— go through this stage all on their own, you know when the world is supposed to revolve around ONLY THEM!)
I guess I am probably a bit defensive, I have heard all kinds of remarks made to me about my choice to quit working and be a stay-at-home mom (I mean I am SOOO wasting my college education–or so I hear), and I have been made to feel like I am less of a mom because I selfishly CHOSE not to breastfeed my babies (nevermind that somehow I managed to become a productive member of society and wasn’t breastfed as a baby either–apparently I am damn near a freak of nature!)….
The bottom line is, do what is right for you, do what makes you happy… Lose weight or dont lose weight……dress your kids in every color of the rainbow….who the HELL CARES!
I have a 5 week old Daughter, yes I was given a lot of pink (i did not find out what I was having so I didnt buy any clothes for her myself), but she looks DAMN cute in pink, course she looks damn cute in blue, lime green, lavender, yellow………. you get the picture…and I don’t think I have RUINED her yet!
Thank you for this post. That is all I want to say. Thank you.
Yes, yes, yes to all of this!!! Especially the stuff about the disgusting way that children’s clothing and toys are relentlessly gendered. I have a boy who just turned a year, and now that he’s graduating from baby clothes to toddler clothes, I look for stuff for him and just want to cry because all the boys’ clothes are so. freaking. butch. it makes me gag. My best friend and I always joke that if we could get the capital, we would start a gender-neutral clothing line for babies and children.
This is a great post about how difficult it can be for a feminist to deal with weight loss.
http://electrolicious.com/2006/03/fat_is_a_feminist_is
Hi! I’ve been reading your blog for awhile now, and i gotta say, you are amazing! you always have me laughing hysterically and agreeing with every single word you say! i’m going to keep reading!
you rock mama!
noo! not the bacon!!
but serieusement, ITA with everything you’ve said here on weight and gender roles. We’ve fallen into some amazingly rigid ways of thinking (in the case of weight loss, under the guise of acceptance), and it sure is unhealthy in so many ways.
Another feminist here. I wanted to lose weight after pregnancy because I was a little tired of trying to decide if that stomach flap should go above or below the pantyline, and then spend time shifting it back and forth like a decent loaf of bread dough. It’s not because I want to be all hot for those incorrigible men, those saucy bastards, but because really? Can we not just want to lose a few pounds and not get accused of succumbing to societal pressures? Is there more cheese here?
And I do dress mine in colors, mostly because that heads off the questions of gender. I prefer to be left alone in public. The fewer questions I get, the better.
YES YES YES YES YES YES!! A thousand times YES!!! Jesus tap dancing christ, the whole “girl clothes/boy clothes” crap is all so very infuriating (being the mother of a three year old girl and pregnant with a son, I’m seeing both sides of this crap). It’s also very strange that women now have to defend the desire to either be “skinny” or “curvy”. We just can’t win, can we?
Just my opinion but I get tired of feminists feeling like being feminine goes against the cause. Wanting to feel good and look attractive, for yourself, isn’t a bad thing. It doesn’t set back the movement of wanting equal rights and power for women. I like being a woman. I like being an attractive woman (if I remember correctly…I am 9 months pregnant so it has been awhile since I’ve felt attractive). Feminism isn’t about being less female…it is about putting females on even footing with males.
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