House Hunted.
I want to pick out paint colors, and decorate. I am tired of living in collections of rooms all painted a single shade of cream. I am tired of the sense of why-bother impermanence that comes with a home you cannot alter and know you will likely be leaving within a couple of years. I am tired of lugging 20 pounds of baby up to the third floor, and keeping the stroller in my car because it is too heavy to transport up and down the stairs, and separating grocery bags into perishable and non- so that I can haul up only what needs to be refrigerated. I want some sort of outside space—I’m not picky: a porch, a deck, a patch of grass—where I can sit with a book and a glass of wine on warm days. I want to have a place for the lilac trees from our wedding that are currently being lilac-sat by friends, and I want to have a place to plant something in memory of Ames. I want a washer and dryer that aren’t four flights down and that don’t require me to save nine quarters a load for laundry. I want somewhere to park, so that during winter’s myriad snow emergencies we needn’t wake early to move our cars blocks away while the plows go past. I want neighbors with children for Simone to play with. I would like the more-than-$1000 we pay a month in rent to have at least a chance of building equity rather than disappearing into the ether. I want to be able to remodel, say by installing a really nice bathtub. I want a home that is ours, that is us, that makes my heart swell when I return to it.
HOWEVER. I like being able to walk to coffee shops, homemade ice cream, a wine store, boutiques, bakeries, Indian, Italian, Thai, Japanese, and Mexican restaurants, several yoga studios, a bagelry, and just about anything else you can think of. I like it here. I like my neighborhood. The obvious solution would be to get a house nearby, but if you know where I live, you are laughing right now. There are several places for sale on the street behind us—both for well over a million dollars. There are others on the surrounding blocks with more reasonable price tags—say half a million.
There are houses we would love, in neighborhoods we would adore, for much less. But even less is too much. The houses we CAN afford are on the fraying edges of nicer neighborhoods, at best, and in neighborhoods I would euphemistically describe as “lively” at worst.
There is this one house. On the aforementioned fraying edge, a few blocks from a lake, a few blocks from much fancier homes, still mostly in the middle of the city. Less walkable, but not in a suburb, just a residential pocket of urban St. Paul. It has two bedrooms, a beautiful bathroom with a skylight and deep whirlpool tub, gorgeous woodwork and hardwood floors, a screened porch large enough for table and chairs, a second porch in back, a yard with gardens surrounded by lilac trees. It feels solid and clean and well cared for. It felt—and of all the places we have looked at, this is the only time I have said this—like home. But the “fraying edge” part makes me nervous. I thought what would make me nervous is the fact that it’s near a cemetery, but that turns out not to bother me. It is the run down auto-shop on the corner, the alley, the proximity to a busy thoroughfare. The secluded feeling that comes from being the last house on the block is nice in the sunshine, but how would it feel at night? Three blocks in the other direction, naturally, and you are among lakeside houses well out of our price range.
That’s the way of the fraying edge. I went to Sarah Lawrence, which straddles the uneasy border between Yonkers and Bronxville, so the fraying edge is something with which I have a passing familiarity. I remember riding Metro North up from the city, shocked by how abruptly the Bronx turned into Westchester, with seemingly no transitional interlude.
Weirdly, if the house were an apartment, it’s location on the edge wouldn’t bother me at all. Most of my previous apartments have been in neighborhoods about five years and three blocks from gentrification, but the block where this house is located is so…quiet. I tend to find houses creepy in general, at least at night, when I’m alone. Apartments feel safer—I like being able to hear the sounds of people. It is hard to get into an irrational panic spiral about a rapist surely lurking in the closet when you can hear the soft murmur of the late show from the other side of the wall. It tethers you to reason. Oh, you remember. I am here. A person among many people. I feel safer in cities than in the eerie, empty country, but even urban houses have basements perfect for lurking. When I’d housesit for my mother—in one of the city’s safest neighborhoods—I’d barricade myself upstairs and sleep fitfully, HOLDING THE PHONE.
The potential for a reprise of the drunken wrestler situation, in which loud neighbors nearly drove my husband insane, makes a condo a risky proposition. I’d dearly, dearly love a rowhouse in the city, but we don’t really have those here. I might be happy in a townhome, but those are almost all in the suburbs. We could move to Minneapolis, or another city entirely, but where?
I am suddenly in desperate want of the illusion of permanence. I might be nesting—I never DID get a third trimester, after all. Maybe it will pass. I remind myself that things go wrong with houses, and there is no landlord to call.
Still. Paint chips. I love those damn little swatches.
Where are YOU? Apartment? City? Suburb? Do you like it there, where you are? Do you have a house? Is it more expensive than you thought? Does it feel like your sanctuary? Are you typing your comment from beyond the grave after being the victim of a grisly murder? Was the murderer hiding in your basement?





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Apartment. Lovely neighborhood, a “walker’s paradise” score 97 or something. A rental. Too small. But under rent control! No on-site laundry. No separate bedroom for the baby. Kinda sucks but the neighborhood is great, we’re a ten-minute walk from my office and kiddo’s daycare and about ten thousand fabulous parks, and every falling-down doghouse in this town, even the sketchy-sketchy parts, sells for 750K-plus. So we’re stuck.
Oooo, I get you 100%. I grew up in Chicago. In the city. Near the lake. We moved to DC when I was 14. I resided in apartments up until two year ago when my man and I bought a small*ish* townhouse in Rockville, MD. I can walk to a Starbuck’s, a Target, and a grocery store. I miss the walkability of Chicago and DC. I very much do not care for where we are right now, BUT we just had our third child and I cannot imagine being in an apartment with these three. My oldest child attends one of the best public high schools in the country and my little ones have a park down the street and a little (tiny) yard. BUT the house is small and thanks to the market tanking we no longer have any equity which is physically painful. People are selling for $90k less than what we bought for in 2007. $90k less. Ouch. Plus our place needs updates to the kitchen and bath rooms. We just put in wood floors and finished the basement but it feels useless to put so much money in when we are losing money. But…. it is our home and it is where our little family lives. I hope to be out of here by the time my middle son turns five, in three years. Right now we are content. I *too* hate being alone in the house though, I totally feel weird in here alone. And I miss the city. Miss the energy and the people. Oooo, our neighbors make noise. At 1am. Loud noise. That makes my head spin. But we have a park and a Starbuck’s so I will deal for now. There is always 911 at 11pm.
We bought a house about 18 months ago, just outside of a mid-sized Great Plains city’s central area. Like it pretty well – we live on the boundary between Sketchersville apartment tracts (2 blocks north) and million-dollar homes (2 blocks east). Much better price than I thought we’d ever pay for hardwood floors, 3 bdrm, 1.5 bath, 300-sq. ft kitchen – the hardwood and kitchen were what sold us. It does feel like a sort of sanctuary, except for the loud Southeastern Asian frat house next door. Okay, that’s not *really* what it is, but there are days where I wonder – there are at least 5 young men living there who own approximately 7 cars among them. Within walking/biking distance of my old workplace, downtown, the grocery and the hardware store. I kind of wish we lived in a more central part of our city, but there seem to be only expensive loft apartments there. Also, there are way too many loud bars and freight trains downtown.
I may email you, but we live on the edge. We gave up some of the neighborhood things where we are to have a house we could afford. There are days when it is rough, days when I wish we had other amenities that would make it more worth the edge part.
Do not buy anything you are not at peace with. Have you looked at my hood? It has it’s issues, but damn is it affordable.
We live in a house in an “up-and-coming” neighborhood (code for “on the fringe”) in Austin and we bought 5 years ago, when it wasn’t even “the fringe” but more like “the distant shores of the fringe.” BUT we do have what you described. Despite the rundown auto shop on the corner (really! we have one!), I’m always so, so glad to walk in the door each day. It’s our home, and it feels wonderful.
I used to love hearing the Tonight Show (with Carson) through the walls in my apartment in DC. It was so reassuring — I suspect because it reminded me of days of going to sleep with my parents watching TV in the next room.
Now I live in a house which I adore (mostly), in a walkable neighborhood in a urban area. And although there are many things I love about it (including being done with noisy neighbors at 3am), I am also not too fond of being alone here at night. Which I am now. Hm. I hope that the murderer in the basement is not reading this.
We live in exactly the neighborhood I would love to live in for the rest of my life, with exactly the same prospects of buying a house until at least a couple years from now. It’s a 2BR Duplex closer to Macalester, with the same ups and downs. We do have laundry and are on the first floor and have covered parking and can paint, but it’s small and I would kill for a second bathroom (dream on in Saint Paul, eh?) and a dishwasher that’s permanently installed instead of a rolling counter and just more space. We looked at moving this summer but didn’t want to give notice before finding something better. I KNOW that it doesn’t make sense to buy a house until I’m done with school and I don’t even want to buy a house really because of all the concerns you mention, but I want a yard and the permanence and a third bedroom in case.
Smack dab in the middle of suburbia outside of Boise. I can’t walk to anything (well I could- but I’m not ambitious enough to walk the mile and a half to get there), but I love the quietness of our neighborhood. My house is definitely my castle and I love that I can paint my daughter’s bedroom lime green (and I did) because it’s my house and I can do what I want with it.
House. Mortgage. Yard. Outer suburbia and further away from the city and ‘cool’ areas than any of our friends would ever consider. Love my home, it is definitely my sanctuary. What I also love, is that despite being 40km from the city, and in a newly developed area, I can walk to shops, restaurants, library, aquatic centre, parks, walkways, lakes and playgrounds.
But! Everyone is different! I have never slept holding the phone, so maybe that’s just not for you?
We moved from my dream neighborhood where the homes easily go for a million plus to a another urban, but affordable neighborhood just over 5 years ago. I still have many things within walking distance and now that I have two kids the priorities of what should be walkable have changed. I used to drive through that old neighborhood after we moved away and promise myself that someday we’d be back, but not anymore, our current neighborhood now feels like home.
We got an offer on our townhouse 12 hours before I was admitted to the hospital and closed on that home the day I went into labor. We lived a 200 sq ft “carriage house” for 3 months before our current house was finished (luckily only a month with said baby).
We live in a Denver (Denver rocks, you should move here ;)) in an awesome neighborhood that’s just minutes from downtown. Our neighborhood is bordered by the “ghetto” and 2 prisons, but I wouldn’t change a thing. Sometimes it really sucks having a large mortgage payment, but then there are days when I love being able to open up my back door and watch my child play in the yard while I cook in the kitchen.
oh yes yes yes.
i just bought my first home a few months ago. i needed a settling, a cementing in the same way that you did, though for different reasons. i bought a not-dream-home in a not-dream-neighborhood, in atlanta. it was cheaper than i needed it to be (hooray!), and i chose to take the extra money and remodel, knock down walls, make a new kitchen, a deck, make the space mine mine mine.
i worried too about sleeping with the phone. i live alone, without a dog. i’ve always been in a condo or apartment or loft, and always been able to shout to neighbors. i’ve been the victim of violence, and anxiety of that sort is my middle name.
i’ve been so surprised though: i DON’T sleep with the phone. the house feels good— i was told a single woman lived in it her whole life, and died here. it makes me feel good– she’s looking out for me. i like the in-between-ness of the neighborhood, both neighbors have lived here since the 50’s, and i can’t understand anything they say because of their thick southern accents. i like being in a city, and building something permanent in a place of change.
good luck. wishing you a happy home.
Live in a modest house in the burbs so that we can save, save, save for college tuitions. And even though it has been many years since I have lived in an apartment or alone, I still get the creepy, crawly feelings if I have to sleep in my house in my very safe neighborhood all by myself all night. There is just something not right about a house with only one person in it, it is wasteful and wrong, the air even feel wrong and not restful.
We live in what I would call a “village” type, beach-y neighborhood of Southern California. Not on the beach, but a 5 minute drive. Possible to walk – 10-15 minutes — to many things, an EXTREMELY short drive. Sidewalks and trees and lots and lots of kids. We have a view of the ocean. The public schools are great and the kids’ preschool is 5 minutes away. Our house is lovely and comfortable and we have fixed it up just how we like it.
BUT. We live in a 3 BR, 2 BA, 1300 sq ft house with a small, patio yard. With 2 kids and soon to be a third. That we could only in any way afford because my husband is 6 years older than me and bought it 11 years ago before the real estate market went totally nuts. We are going to need to get something bigger with 3 kids but the price point of buying in our current neighborhood scares the bejeezus out of me. I also can’t imagine living anywhere else. We are going to squeeze the kids in 3 to a room (I work at home and need an office) for as long as we can stand it and hope we can figure out something …
Love love love this topic! I would be sooo happy living in the heart of New Orleans with accessibility to restaurants, bars, shops, the streetcar, but when the Hubs and i moved back here insurance was iffy at best and the schools in the city are a complete no-go. So. . .we moved to a tiny town 45 minutes north of the city. It’s funky, artsy, fun. It’s historic which is rare around here. The public school are excellent and within walking distance. We could afford it AND the insurance AND we aren’t in a flood zone. It’s got maybe four restaurants, a small grocery, two bars, two galleries, and a fabulous walking path and park. Its’ not perfection but it’s good enough. And did I mention we could afford it?
We live in suburban St. Louis…small three bedroom 1 bath house. We moved here from another city so we didn’t really know where we should move…just where we could afford. For those who live in STL our neighborhood is not that great but people can be so judgmental of their own city! Now that we live here we like the neighborhood…real people live here who do not think of it as “the fringe”, just home. We do hope to move closer to my husbands work in the next few years but that is because both of our commutes are 45 min +. I think you should spend some time in the neighborhood at different times of day. Good luck!
This comment was written from a small old inexpensive home on the wrong side of many frayed edges. The neighbor added a new pit bull to the family today. But, at least they no longer have the one that jumped into my yard and chased me into my home. Then, there was the time 18 armored and shielded law enforcement representatives paid a visit on the house across the street… Then, there is the alley wherein random pieces of junk get deposited, only to disappear months later. But, nothing that has significantly impacted our lives.
Our child will (hopefully) arrive within the next three weeks. But, I’d like to be in a different neighborhood before she’s ready to explore it. I’m thinking countryside, an acre or two, breathing room, enough space to make one appreciate neighbors rather than resent them.
In the country, miles away where no one can hear us. I love it during the day when all I see are deer and other wildlife? At night? And if the husband isn’t home? Wide awake with a maglite beside me in my well-lit master suite. My fortress of solitude. :)
Not that I have any experience in this topic, but back behind Uptown in Minneapolis is a cute area. Around 34-36th streets off of Hennepin. They look like cute single family homes interspersed with apartment buildings. No idea how much they cost, but cute area!
Last year we were able to realize our dream: we built a 2700 sq ft house on 5 acres, that sits 1/3 mile off the road. The closest neighbors are about 150 yds away and they happen to be my parents.
We are technically part of a tiny little town that sits northeast of a nice little city, population approx 70,000. My son’s school is quite small and I like it. We are adding 4-legged members to the family, have bonfires in the backyard, listen to the owls and coyotes (who may have eaten one of my cats), I have a garden and a clothesline, can see every single star at night, yet we still know our other neighbors by name and wave when we drive by.
My kids run around like dirty little savages, grazing out of the garden and off the wild blackberry bushes and they have learned to catch frogs, grasshoppers and grass snakes. No one is going to snatch them off the street or run them over.
I LOVE IT. I was meant to be a country girl and a country girl I finally am. I’m not scared to be out here alone. I have guns and know how to use them. :)
Not everyone’s version of heaven but it is mine.
I own a 2 br/1 ba house in a neighborhood a few blocks off of the historical neighborhood in my Midwestern city. I love it — 100 years old, original woodwork on the main floor, but close enough to walk downtown, the funky arts neighborhood, and the farmers’ market, depending on which direction one chooses.
But last night, at 2:30am, I woke up to find a bat flying around my bedroom, and I couldn’t call anybody else to deal with it. Luckily, it seemed to understand that the woman screaming “Get the f— out of my house, you flying rat!” was not a friend, and finally found the window I had opened for it. I like bats in theory, just not in my bedroom at 2:30 am.
Not being able to call somebody to just deal with things is the only down side I’ve discovered to the whole home-ownership thing. And the tax benefits rock.
I am in a 100 year old house, in a fraying neighbourhood,as you called it. We moved in 5 years ago, and we are in the midst of “gentrification”, which is both good and bad, in that we are losing the characters, but also the prostitutes.
I wouldn’t change my house, or my crazy, eclectic neighbourhood of artists and SAHMs and ethnic food for anything.
We live in a 1940s house on the edge of the frontier between a really cool urban neighborhood and “East Stabbington.” We started looking for a permanent location after our landlord raised our rent to the equivalent of a mortgage payment. We bought while the market was going crazy but now I think we owe more than the house is currently worth.
It is really nice to have our own place, with a yard and room to grow. But the house is a source of endless projects and thousands of imperfections that fill me with shame.
Have you considered Utah? Seriously. We have coffee and wine. It’s true!
Walkability? What is that? Hang on a sec while I climb into my SUV and drive, Starbucks latte in hand, 15 minutes away to the nearest dictionary to look that up.
Ok, I’m back now. We live in a suburb of a suburb of a suburb of San Diego. In an enormous house in a neighborhood of nearly identical houses. For which we paid waaaaaaaay more than I ever thought I’d pay for anything.
But. It is a brand new house. Everything is clean and modern and functional and exactly the way we want it because we are the original owners. Every room has wired in Ethernet and I can play my music stored on my computer upstairs through the sealers built into the downstairs ceiling. And every other house in a ten mile radius has 2.5 children under the age of seven. They play soccer and t-ball in the streets.
I live in a Stepford House.
Through the speakers, that is. The house also came with an auto spell correcter that drives me batty.
Get the house and a big, sloppily loving canine. A Retriever of some sort.
Woof, there it is.
Being that I know you’re in MSP just like me. I’ve got a couple of ideas (which you may or may not have already tossed out).
A. Northeast!! Totally on the cheaper side, with the 8K kickback from the gov’t for buying your first home, it’s totally doable. AND totally WALKABLE!
B. Hopkins – where I live. Its like a city all its own. We have a main street, walk to coffee, grocery, movie theater, stores, library. PLUS! And here’s the BONUS! You can live by me and Lillian and Simone can be best buddies who ride bikes all summer long.
We’ve lived in both the 100 year old full of character home and most recently moved to the less than 10 years old box like home with more space than we know what to do with. I’d say they both have their charms and drawbacks. Apartment dwelling with children… I’ll be honest, I can’t believe you’ve lasted this long.
Oh, man, that brought back memories. SLC was one weird place, with Bronxville (still the richest zip code in America?) on one side and Yonkers on the other, with the SKETCHY AS HELL station you had to go to use Amtrak.
Oh, houses. I’m in college (no longer at SLC however, for various reasons unrelated to its awesomeness, because it is awesome) and just got my first place (“my” as in “live by myself but my parents pay”). It’s an apartment in a complex; four apartments per building, basically suburban (said parents were willing to pay more to keep me out of “the student ghetto”), but only a couple of minutes from downtown.
My family has always lived in houses, but I always pictured myself in an apartment building in New York, until I lived in an apartment. I don’t like worrying that I’m too loud. I don’t like smelling other people’s food. I don’t like not being able to decorate. So now suddenly I’m thinking that when I have kids I’ll forgo culture for the freedom to paint.
Heads up on the snow thing: here (upstate NY) everyone has to make sure their cars are in the garage by 3 am if it snows, because everyone pays the guys who mow lawns in the summer to come plow driveways in the winter. I imagine that you also get enough snow to want that…
Thank God you posted this. I had no idea that other people struggled with this!
We (two adults and a 20 pound baby) live in a small one bedroom rental apartment in San Francisco. We sleep in the living room, she sleeps in the bedroom to prevent someone (I won’t tell you who) from yelling MAMA! DOGGY! HAPPY! MAMA! at various hours of the night. We live within a block of world famous sights and food. My daughter can hear 5 different languages while we are out for an afternoon. She plays in city parks and eats indian food. We walk everywhere. But the apartment is tiny, and what teenager wants to have her parents sleeping in the living room? Its on the 3rd floor of a large building and the traffic is sometimes so noisy that you cannot hear conversations inside. BUT. After many years of this, I am now afraid to sleep on the ground floor (someone might just break a window and come in and kill me) and I am petrified to drive in the crazyness of the city.
I fantasize about an outside space and free parking and TWO WHOLE BEDROOMS and quiet and stars….but then I think about walking, and food, and coffee shops, and taking a bus for 10 minutes to go to places that people fly from Europe to see….and how once we leave the city we will never be back and what a cool kid she will be being raised here…and then I think about storage space, and having a bike, and new appliances, and not having drunk tourists outside my window….
So I go back and forth all the time, and I have no good answer for you….
I’m in Tasmania. So …
I’m pretty rural. I look outside and while I’m part of a tiny township, there are probably only 5 houses in a kilometre circle. I’ve got a (3brm) house and an acre of flat land.
On the plus side, there is very little noise (aside from the road I am right next to, sigh) and no nosy neighbours looking in my windows.
On the down side, I can’t walk anywhere. At all.
i’m barely inside the fraying edge of a gentrifying neighborhood–and i do mean barely. a block, or three, and things start to fray. i used to live in the fraying edge (10 blocks from here), and it was just fine, and really, the time the two street people got into a fistfight over our recycling was as amusing as it was scary. portland OR is at least as expensive as st. paul, and it was a massive undertaking to find a decent house in a decent-ish neighborhood within my price range…but here i am! granted, i have had to both pay for and personally undertake a LOT of what realtors euphemistically refer to as “cosmetic improvements” (no, thank you, to the mauve grosgrain wallpaper…and four preceding layers). i do feel safe here, although i am not a huge fan of my basement (exterior entrance) at night. it is quiet at night, even though i am just a block and a half from a major street. i can walk to the library (3 houses down! joy!), the bank, the hardware store (very important, this), the grocery store, the movie rental place, Cajun, Thai, sushi, and Middle Eastern restaurants, a German-style sausage shop (very comforting for a displaced midwesterner), an alternative health clinic, the dog park, my hairdresser, a coffee shop, a Radio Shack…etc. this was very important to me when i looked for location. i can bike to the community center (i could walk, but it’s well over a mile, maybe two) and to work, if i am so inclined. the yards are small enough here that i can delude myself that the neighbors would hear me scream…and really, they might. they are all friendly, and they certainly keep an eye out for me, and for each other. i thought homeownership would feel burdensome, but it turns out that i love it. i highly recommend. and the decorating? heavenly. it’s all that has pulled me through four rooms of 5-6 layers of wallpaper removal…with two more to go.
hint: if you don’t have one, get a realtor. it doesn’t cost you anything (the seller pays the realtors) and they can send you info on houses, help negotiate with the sellers, etc. there was a massive water leak during the sale of my house (after accepted offer, before closing) that required the renegotiation of everything…i would have been sunk if i hadn’t had a realtor. oh, and get the sewer scoped if it’s an older home. mine needed a $15K new sewer line and it was the seller’s responsibility…thank goodness. moneywise, you guys might qualify for certain kinds of loans if you are buying in an “urban renewal area”. certain good kinds of loans. with small down payments and small interest rates!
just read up there. i had TWO bats get into the one and only place where i have lived alone, and it turns out you can call animal control. they shame you, but it is worth it. if bats get in here, my first call will be to animal control, and the second to the bat guy to come bat-proof my house, hang the cost.
still reading. also? lived in a lovely four-plex in a lovely urban-ish suburb…and had the SWAT team in my yard at 7:30 a.m. as i was half-dressed for work. i noticed this when they pounded on the downstairs neighbor’s door yelling “police! search warrant! open up!”. german shepherds, shields, unmarked white truck. when i told my coworkers, they asked incredulously, “in _______???”. it happens everywhere.
so so SO nice to realise that other people have crazy serial killer phobias and can’t sleep in a house alone at night by themselves. years ago i used to do it and then i met my husband and went all soft and now if i have to do it i sleep with two phones (cellphone, in case the serial killer cuts the phone cables – even though our phone cables are buried i think – thats what they always do first, right?) and my whopping pastry rolling pin that is wooden and as thick as my arm. i used to take a carving knife too but then i couldn’t sleep because i thought i might cut myself and bleed to death in my sleep.
my husband says, you know that there have never been any serial killers in new zealand, right?? but i figure that SOMEONE has to be first.
anyway he owns a house in a part of town we don’t want to live in (was good for him when he bought it, single) even though it is a stellar house. his parents live in it at the moment and they own OUR house which we have been in for a year and… i love this house. it is freaking HUGE and we have a YARD and a GARAGE and while we are not allowed to redecorate as in, say, paint, we are going to knock out a wall to make the office into a bedroom. any day now. being that, you know, we need it as a bedroom because we have another kid on the way in seven weeks. ANY DAY NOW, I TELL YOU.
Interesting.
We built a house 5 years ago next week. It’s pretty much my *dream* house – much larger than I’d ever imagined I would someday own. When you think “new house”, you think “less maintenance” – which is fair, but new houses have their own problems as well. For instance, I wanted a jacuzzi tub – I begged, pleaded and cried. Finally my husband agree (read wanted me to shut up) and we picked out the perfect jacuzzi tub. I made myself promise not to use the tub until we were completely moved in and organized – it would be my reward. Fast for 6 months (yup.. a bit of a procrastinator) I was finally ready for the maiden voyage. I filled the tub, grabbed a glass of wine and a book and was whole heartily enjoying myself when I heard my husband stamp up the stairs, bolting into the bathroom and screamed – “stop splashing – your flooding the pantry”. (As if I was splashing around like a whale trying to beach myself… I think not.) Apparently when the plumber installed my wonderful tub – he hadn’t hooked up the overflow correctly and instead of the tub draining it was pouring off inside the walls. Long story short – brand new house, tub installation out of warranty, and now we have to replace a section of wall and ceiling in the pantry and hire a new dude to fix my tub.
We were the 11th house to be built in a new sub-division of 130. We saw the entire neighborhood be built. What we didn’t realize though when we bought our lot was just how close the houses actually were. You can’t get a good prospective looking at empty land. I’m just thankful we didn’t buy a smaller lot – I couldn’t handle much closer.
As far as security goes in a house – there are things you can do to make it more secure. We have motion detectors and an alarm system and our doors are never unlocked. We never leave windows open when we are not here and we have a locked fence. I don’t really fear an intrusion as much as I fear the police won’t properly triangulate my position correctly from the gps of my crappy cell phone and in the middle of my untimely demise, they’ll be knocking on the door of my neighbor.
We are in Fairfield County, CT, right next to Westchester. It is quiet, safe, posh, sprawling, lonely and sad. It is the burbs.
We just moved here from Chicago, and I miss our city life beyond belief. It is the best to have the world outside your door, and your neighbours right next to you.
Do you have two flats where you live? In Chicago, they are much cheaper than single family homes, and you have a little rental income. Also, you don’t have to feel like you are home alone when you are home alone.
Nesting is fun, even during the fantasy portion. Best of luck!
I loved my time in Minneapolis. We lived in Richfield, which, people have told me since was a “really rough area.” Maybe the idea of a rough area in the Midwest is a little different that I’m used to! I left my keys in my car trunk once and found a friendly note from one of my neighbors saying that they’d found them. :)
Having lived in a lot of different types of housing (including a 57 narrowboat) I am desperately looking forward to a house. I am ready for the sounds coming from downstairs being made by a member of my family who I can tell to knock it off if need be. I’m tired of slamming doors in other people’s flats waking up my daughter or the smell of someone smoking in the garden downstairs drifting up through my open window. While I like the sound of life going on around me, my neighbor screaming profanities at her ex-husband who’s come to collect his things is not really what I had in mind. Can’t WAIT to buy a house in the US next year!
Alexa…
Houses are nice and all, but the maintenanence, taxes, upkeep, etc. You get my drift. I see you getting your own house someday soon. When you do, it will be well worth it. Shannon
I live in a townhome in the suburbs. My husband works here, we wanted him to have a short enough commute that he could bike to work on nice days. I’m maybe 10-14 minutes from downtown St Paul, and that helps it feel a little less suburban. But it’s a suburb, and a sprawling one at that, there is hardly anything between my house and the park, grocery store, and other places, yet they still manage to be a mile away.
I live on the outskirts of a liberal island in the middle of the conservative ocean. I live in a house with a chunk of honest to goodness planet around it. The house was designed by a man who was planning to be a bachelor / monk. Then I married him, then we had a kid and the bachelor/monk design is …. strained. I have to drive 4.5 miles to get to a GAS STATION which is the first sign of civilization available to me.
I long for the end unit of a row of townhouses with a garage and basement. I long to walk to the major chain grocery store and drive everywhere else. I long for sidewalks so that I don’t teach my child HOW TO PLAY IN THE STREET because it is the only paved area around me. I long for the benign neglect of neighbors who recognize me on sight but couldn’t care less.
My father is a minister. I lived in homes that belonged to the church, I was never allowed to change anything or hang anything. Then I lived in college dorms – again, no painting or hanging stuff. After that I rented, I could finally HANG but no painting. Finally, we bought a home four years ago. BigP still won’t let me paint but I am a hanging mad woman. I have a huge wall coated in picture frames of all shapes/sizes/colors…it makes me happy.
The thing is that crime stats say that most victims are murdered by people they know. So if you don’t know any murderous people, you’re pretty safe.
House ownership is nice, but it is very involved. You have to pay taxes, which suck. You have to do yard maintenance – a couple of lilac bushes are not enough. Houses require upkeep – tuckpointing, drywall repair, plumbing – but it’s not terrible. You’ll find yourself with less time for walking to the coffee shop.
But, it is nice to not hear people…to walk to another room to do your free laundry…to park in your garage or driveway. And if you think the fringe neighborhood is going to be gentrified, it may even be a good investment – which is questionable these days.
I am totally the opposite. I lived in town for a few months and couldn’t handle all the people. We own our home. Yes repairs aren’t fun, but it is so worth it when you can do what you want and no one can tell you no. Good luck!!
I live in Minneapolis, in what I guess would be considered a transitional neighborhood. Five blocks to the north is pretty rough, five blocks to the south pretty nice. That said, we went to our neighborhood night out block party and I was shocked at how many people with young children live in our area. It is the sort of neighborhood people are moving to buy their first homes and start families, which is nice being a young family ourselves.
I love our house, it’s the perfect size, with a yard and garage. And yet, I just don’t think I like home ownership. I hate, hate, hate taking care of all of the little things that go wrong with a house. The mind space that those little fix-it jobs take up is almost too much for me. My ideal would be to rent a small house, preferably in the St. Anthony Park neighborhood. With that we could have a yard, they would probably let us paint, and yet, when the plumbing goes to shit, we’d be able to kick back while someone else deals with the problem.
Though I dream of having the Million Dollar house in the middle of it all!!!! (I WILL RETIRE THERE !!! I MADE A PROMISE!) I live in Suburbia… My daughter can walk to the 7-11 on the corner… and roam the streets, and nearby woods and lake in relative safety…. but its DEFINATLY not what I want forever. Its a wonderful house that we took from “custom” builder … to AMAZING!!! and I love nearly every corner of it. I have one more stop to make before coming home to my CITY HOUSE though… I want to live in the country.. where you can hear the squeaky screen door slap closed… and the cicadas buzzing…. and smell sweet summer grass. yeah. That first.
I love St. Paul, and your urban life does sound lovely. However, I also understand the pull toward permanence and paint chips. If you would consider moving, I vote for Iowa City, especially since I know you enjoyed visiting there recently. We lived there for seven years when we were in grad school, and on two grad assistantship salaries, we were able to afford to buy a house, and we were able to walk/bike/bus to the farmer’s market, to New Pi Co-op, to Prairie Lights, to Brueggers, to the Java House, etc., etc. We had one car that we rarely drove. We LOVED our life there. When we graduated, we had to move because, well, there are too many unemployed Ph.D.s who can’t bear to leave Iowa City, and we didn’t want to join them with our sleeping bags under the Burlington Street bridge. We now live in North Carolina in the suburbs on a cul-de-sac (which we hate to admit that we love despite the next several clauses in this sentence), we have two cars, we can’t walk anywhere from our house, and we miss IC a ton. If you want a convenient, low-stress, affordable life, Iowa City is the place to be.
Come move to Albuquerque. We live in Old Town. Which is on the fringe. But I love it. We are within walking to all the museums, the parks, the aquarium. I live in a house that is part of a little “compound” of 9 homes. It feels removed from the city and safe. There is a house for sale in compound. Actually two but one is really really dark inside. The other already has a wonderful tub. I would love to have someone my daughters age move in. THere is a wine bistro up the street. No homemade icecream or bagels, but lots of green chile. Plus there are some other kids that will be perfect babysitting age in a year or so!
I know you won’t really consider it but Albuquerque is a great city with a ton to do. If you ignore the crime rate, the bad schools, the lack of jobs, etc it is perfect. But they do have to balloon fiesta. IF you want to come check it out come during the first two weekends of October to see all the balloons! You can stay with us.
Mikki
We are in Bristol Borough Pennsylvania. In a row house, in a town with three police officers. All our neighbors know each other and hang out on the stoop chatting. That part is great. However, we are also on a major road and have a car dealership literally in our backyard. Our front yard looks like Sesame Street, our backyard looks like Philly. If I look out my window I see the unintentionally pornographic sign “park in rear”. We love it, for the most part. Do I wish I had an ince cream shop instead of a car dealership in my backyard? Yeah. But it is just right for us, and is a great neighborhood to start a family in. We will move to Yardley in a few years and pretend we are fancy.
I live in a house in an urbanish / suburbanish neighborhood of Madison. I don’t know how to characterize it. We’re 3 miles from the Capitol, a mile and a half from the university, but very close to developed areas with shops, grocery stores, coffee shops, etc. I can walk to the library, two groceries, the bank, a lot of restaurants, and my job. The only thing missing in walking distance is a hardware store — I hate having to drive to the hardware store! The walking part is why I bought a house in this neighborhood.
The downside is that if you compare to living in a suburb just 2 or 3 miles farther away from the downtown area, I literally paid twice as much for a house half as big. My house is small, my back yard is just a patio (super tiny), and houses here are very close together. Having lived in big cities my whole life, Madison already feels small to me and this neighborhood is as suburban as I can possibly stand. I need sidewalks and walking, as it’s a huge part of my quality of life. We have no back yard but our house does face a park, and last night the parents strung up a giant sheet and played a children’s movie where everybody brought their picnic blankets and lawn chairs. It’s that kind of neighborhood, where kids still run around free in packs, and I wanted that for my family.
I love my house because it was built in the twenties, has hardwood floors, original woodwork, and charm. But it also drives me nuts because the kitchen is miniscule, there is only one bathroom, and the upkeep is expensive and time consuming. There is no perfect house, I think, unless you happen to be wealthy. I bought this place as a single woman and fast forward to marriage, ridiculously expensive fertility treatments, 2 kids, and a husband who quit his job to go back to school, and I’m very glad I have a small mortgage that I could afford back when I was a single gal.
Also, I have to tell ya, I have to go three flights down the stairs to do laundry. Such is life in a row home. But we have lovely plaster walls and the most darling room that will be turned into a nursery soon. We also have an award winning downtown, and when my cat was lost everyone from the town council to the police chief to the an entire elementary school looked for him. You don’t get that in a city.
We had a cute but small house in the city, in a great neighborhood, when we lost the twins. A few months of looking at the closed door of the half-finished nursery, I realized I simply COULD NOT STAY.
This was the height of the housing bubble, so our house was listed for 3X what we paid for it. But that also meant we couldn’t get a place in any of the neighborhoods we liked. We ended finding a lovely house in an inner ring suburb, and we liked it. It’s very pretty here, and they pick up our trash twice a week from the back of the house (we don’t have to put it out).
But. As Tori gets older, I realize that i don’t want her to play with the kids in our neighborhood. There’s a fair amount of racism around here, and many of the parents routinely hit their kids. I wouldn’t feel safe letting Tori go play at another person’s house. Not to mention that almost no one around here reads books. And everyone is very, very catholic and doesn’t understand why we’re not going to have more kids, or why we waited so long to have the one we do. They generally call us Tori’s grandparents until we correct them.
So my snobbery has gotten in the way of this being home.
We’d love to move back into the city, but we’d need money to fall out of the sky first, sadly.
Good luck in your hunt. It’s tough.
We just bought our first home in May. We love it. We were sick of tweaker meth neighbors in our apartments, we wanted a yard, we wanted (in theory) to build equity and credit and we were sick of worrying that our nieghbors could hear it when we watched a movie or had sex (blush).
It was a pain, the hunting and the buying and the moving. The yard is a mess, a haven’t been properly taken care of mess but its OURS. And the house down the street was just condemned as a meth house,but you can have a meth house ANYWHERE, so we are not too bothered by it. We love the rest of our neighbors, we love our yard, we love having a garage.
We live in Boise, which has a definite downtown, but not like Chicago or New York. It doesn’t matter where you live here, really driving is required no matter what.
And the paint chips become infinitely more exciting when you can actually PAINT something. I haven’t painted anything yet, but I will! Oh YES! I will!
More expensive, yes, in a way, but not overly so, for us. Would I recommend it? YES! And just so you know, it doesn’t matter WHERE I’ve lived, and I’ve lived all over the place, I’ve always locked the doors and slept with a baseball bat by the bed. Because I’m cautious like that. Bad things can happen no matter where you live. But they probably won’t.
Wow. This topic generated many comments. Manhattan studio here, it doesn’t get more urban than this. We pay a whole lot of money for very very little space, but it is worth it. I hope I never have to live in an american suburb, just thinking about it makes my skin crawl a bit. Come to think of it, I’d rather live in a smaller town away from it all than in suburbia if i did have to move away from the city.
Decisions, decisions, huh…
I’ve never commented before, but today, they’re all myriad little stories that satisfy the Nosy Parker that is me. Thank you! I’ll share too, if I may.
I am at my dining room table in the hundred-year old money pit of a home we live in, which is across the streeet from rows of brand new townhouses on a former factory site and down another street from former factories that are being turned into lofts. It’s in a newly-gentrified area of Toronto – Leslieville. Google it – it actually made the NY Times. Fat lot of good it does us, except to attract meat stores where two chicken breasts are twelve dollars. Yes, the Starbucks on the corner added as much value to our home as a parking pad would (we use the funky one, with the Clash playing all the time and surly help but better coffee) – and buying 8 years ago for less than half what people are spending on a 900 square apartment for today. We chose it because living two blocks north of one major street seemed wiser than living five blocks south of another, and would save us from being house-poor. That worked for the first two years. I like it here, because the 21 apartment development slated for two doors away was just cancelled due to the economy. There’s an adorable park across the street. It’s a dog friendly neighbourhood. I can be anywhere in the city in 20 minutes, if not for the gdtraffic. I like it because I spent five hours yanking out ten feet of overgrown daylilies, and then wandered up to a friend’s house and ate too many shish kebabs and drank too much wine and staggered home. And I work three blocks away, and we did just get a cheese market and a bakery and yet we still have dive bars and diners. It’s the right mix of frayed and moneyed. It’s just getting the moneyed to remember that the frayed were here first. I am starting a neighbourhood watch, and am on steering committees for local parks and the parent council. Our local Councillor knows me by name, says hi to me when she bumps into me at the coffee shop, and referred to me in a recommendation to another project group as “a civic-minded parent and dog-owner.” (My teenage self just gagged herself.)
The house is more expensive than we thought in that “Hey -we’re NOT handy DIYers. We HATE painting! New windows cost about a car each for odd old custom sizes!” But the day we faxed in the offer, we won $700 in Atlantic City, and considered it a sign. I stood here, and pictured ourselves here, and turned to my (then um…paramour now husband) with shining eyes. As the neighbourhood improved, from the point where (I shit you not) a drunken one-armed dwarf on a bicycle rode out of a neighbourhood bar and slammed into my husband on the sidewalk on our first-day starry eyed walk, to one where I imagined pushing a stroller – we had our Josephine and I now have to dodge $800 strollers with frightening regularity. But it is my sanctuary. We’re attached to good neighbours, and next to great others. And that makes the difference. Neighbours who told us that the woman who lived here was depressed with bad credit; her twenty-whatever year old drug-dealing son left fist-holes repaired by pizza boxes in the walls under the most awful wallpaper I ever tried to pull of with my bare hands; her boyfriend signed his name “Crazy Johnny” on every light bulb during his drunken renovations that left live wires under crooked floorboards; her grandson was being raised by them because his mother committed suicide (NOT HERE)…and who were glad it was us moving in. There’s nothing like that feeling – people happy we’re just us.
Trust me – living in the fringes? It’s better than living next to the Joneses. You don’t have to keep up with anyone but yourselves. Just pray the Joneses don’t start moving in. And owning? Remind me to call the landlord about that leaky roof that cost us $2500 we didn’t have this year. OH! I’m the landlord. RENTing a nice little house somewhere? There’s an idea…but then, I also read Suburban Bliss. So, I suggest you lay down until the nesting feeling passes.
I live on an edge so to speak as well. My street, circa 1904, was it: it was where the moguls lived, the elite. My neighborhood was an estate that got sold and carved up (sound familiar?) and planned into various sized/priced dwellings. Now, the area further north is where today’s elite live (though I’m kinda relieved we didn’t end up there), and starting about two blocks south of me, is where the urban starts getting decay.
I wouldn’t trade it for the world, but I kinda lucked out. I would: look at crime reports listed for the neighborhood in the past 5 years or so; look at real estate listings for as far back as you can (is it transient? Are people staying? Moving out? Moving in? What are the people like moving in?); drive around, a lot — drive on weekends (are there yard sales?), week days (people running? walking babies? renovating houses? is the garage legit? Loud?), and nighttime (dark? anyone out? well lit? loud?). If you see a neighbor out, don’t be afraid to ask — I’m a potential buyer! (They should be thrilled) What do they say? How tight is the ‘hood?
I can walk to a ton of things, I love living in an urban environment with suburban amenities like a lawn and awesome neighbors. Maybe you should check out our hood?
If I had to live close to other ppl I would go insane. I nearly did actually, when we lived in the burbs of Houston. So we moved home…to the country where my kids have 11 acres all to themselves and nobody bothers me or makes me feel claustrophobic! You can keep the busy streets and sqaushed humanity. I’ll take my 2300 sq ft house, wraparound porch, garden and whatever else I want to build. All for less than 200K. Yes, its dark and quiet. But I am never scared. It is that very humanity that you are clinging to to keep fear away that does the murdering! There is no one here to cause me harm! They all live next door to you guys! Lol!
I went to school in the rural South but now I’m back at home for a year to work and save money for law school. Big house in the suburbs, 20 minutes in one direction you’re in the city, 20 minutes in the other and you’ve landed smack dab in the middle of Farmland. The traffic is terrible but I have an iron will when it comes to not being bothered by it all.
To me, for now, this is home.
I live in the area west of downtown St. Paul that is NOT up the hill, and I like it. It’s not the dream neighborhood, but it’s not horrible either, and I know that it’s only temporary — the plan is to build equity for a few years until we can afford to buy in the neighborhood we want to stay in forever. In the meantime, though, I’ve sure loved painting my walls whatever color I wanted and sitting out in my backyard when it’s sunny. I’ve also loved being able to walk a few blocks to get to a bunch of restaurants and shops.
While being responsible for anything that goes wrong with the house can be intimidating, as long as you buy a little less house than you can afford you’ll be fine. And when that first toilet explosion happened we were freaked out, but after we fixed it ourselves it became a point of pride (and we are SO NOT repair persons).
I’ve lived in St. Paul all my life, and I know its nooks and crannies like the back of my hand. Email me if you ever want a second opinion about a neighborhood or street — I’d be glad to help!
I am going through pretty much exactly what you are, just outside of Boston. I’ve been yearning for a home that doesn’t seem temporary for years. Good luck with yours.
I am writing from an apartment, but I’ll writing from a house in less than a month. My boyfriend and I just bought a house and ran into many of the same problems as you.
The house we bought is in a nice part of town, but it’s suburbia. I can walk to a Target (let’s face it, that’s always been my dream) but none of the cool shops or restaurants that were near my old apartment closer to the urban core. However, for the size of house we want (just a 3 bed-2 bath, not asking too much), we’d have to pay about a half-million. And even though The Boy makes good money as a lawyer, that was far out of the question. So for now we’re settling for suburbia, in a bigger but more affordable house. And sadly, we are possibly the two least handy people to walk the earth (if I can’t fix it with a screwdriver, I call someone), but we’ve recruited a very handy friend to help us with…handy things. We also worry about older homes sucking up his great income and my meager income with their roof issues and weird-sized windows and plumbing problems.
But the pros of living in a house that belongs to me far outweigh the cons of living in a neighborhood that lacks character. I’m looking forward to being a homeowner (paint chips!) and making our cookie-cutter house become our home.
We used to live in the suburbs of L.A. and rented all over, including one wonderful house that we miss to this day — but of course could NEVER afford to buy, not even with the crash. Moved to Chicago and could afford to buy in the suburbs, but blindly picked one because we had a weekend to decide. We picked the house that was in the best condition, and we are fringy (industrial area, can pick up heroin at the gas station on the corner). It doesn’t feel like home, and I don’t think it ever did. We were just desperate not to have to move again in a year. But it’s a nice enough neighborhood with decent schools. We can’t really walk anywhere, except to the El, which is a big deal.
If we still lived in L.A., we’d be cramming two kids in a tiny single room. And I think it would be okay, because you do what you have to.
If you like the house and it feels like home, do research on the neighborhood, check the crime report (police department), talk to some neighbors, and maybe, just maybe, make the plunge!
I drive a mini-van, everywhere, but that is what two kids will do to you. I live near #23, Be Like the Squirrel girl – not too far from East Stabbyville and down the hill from the rich folks (where Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped by a madman her father hired to work on their home). I paid more for this house by going halfway up the hill, because I thought my home would always be worth more for its location. So I paid, and it is spendy, but it is a long term plan I have to stay here. It is 100 years old and parts fall off or need painting with some frequency but it has charm and style and a partial view of the valley when the leaves come off the trees. I have never slept by the phone, but now? I am too tired to feel anxious about anything outside my own walls. The bigger the family gets the more concerns there are, and when I worry and fret over those, the rest gets pushed out past the margins.
They tore down the projects in S. Seattle to build our neighborhood, but kept it mixed-income–subsidized rentals, Habitat houses and market-rate houses. So it’s brand new but still has the feel of the fraying fringes–though really I think it’s headed in the opposite direction. The re-knitting fringes. I walk to work. The coffee shop closed, but here’s hoping a new one will open soon. It’s a townhouse, so we have outdoor space but we’re not in charge of maintaining it: a perfect combination.
Anyway, I moved here from a quiet cul-de-sac in the suburbs. And I know my neighbors SO MUCH BETTER here on the edge than I ever did there. We have barbecues and cricket matches and e-mail each other all the time about free stuff or prowlers or babysitter recommendations or to remind each other to vote. My boys will grow up surrounded by different cultures and languages. Sometimes we daydream about someplace quieter or viewier, but I know we’ll never leave.
I like houses, and wish I could have afforded one. I’m in a condo, and I do love the place, but I find neighbor noises pretty irritating, not comforting. I am happy in the suburbs, though. The city is too much for me, and the country is too far.
It does suck not having a landlord to call, but I remind myself of my last landlord, who meant well but was pretty hopeless at fixing things, and feel like I can do better–or hire someone who can do better!
When I moved out of my parents house (deep in the wilderness of Idaho), I lived in apartments. Just last year, my boyfriend and I decided to move into a house (renting) with our best friends. It’s sort of in a pocket neighborhood; we’re technically in the grittier part of town but on our street the houses are very well maintained (if old), people drive nicer cars, and you can’t really hear the main thoroughfare two blocks up.
We offered to buy the place off our landlords next year. They agreed. So now we’re buying the house we rented. It’s a pretty rad situation.
I much, much prefer the house to the apartments. We’re already planning all the little things we want to do to make it OURS. It is really deeply satisfying!
Remember: good people are looking for cheaper housing these days. So what may be slightly slummy could turn into a flourishing, sweet little neighborhood in no time.
Good luck!!
My perspective is all kinds of wonky on this issue. I moved into Dave’s house when we married. It isn’t in a suburb, but it’s not downtown either. The thing is… we live within just a few miles of Neil and Bekka, as well as just a few miles away from the nature park we got married in. Until Neil and Bekka move, I cannot imagine our choosing to leave this proximity. It was critical, some days, to be so close when they needed something for Ollie or days when they were in the hospital and needed things from home. It was VITAL the day they discovered what was wrong with Ollie. It was… there are no words… the day that Ollie passed away and we were so close. And in the weeks since he passed it has been a daily issue. We can be there in minutes. We often are.
Then there is the park. And outside is the japenese cherry tree that Dave and I planted. It was my wedding gift from him.
So I guess this is home, huh?
Modest duplex in the suburbs. Hate my commute, but I live in a neighborhood where people watch out for you, on a cul-de-sac where my two-year-old has made good friends and so have we.
I love color. I just repainted part of our living room. We have deep brick bottom of the walls, then cream on top. Then green in family room and kitchen, and various shades of blue and green upstairs.
We sold out in every imaginable way and moved to a completely homogenous suburb that was chosen largely for its low taxes and (yet) impressive school system. We’ve been here a year and I miss my old life in the city all the time, but I confess that I do like having my own house, my own space. We splurged so much on the house itself that the decoration/furnishing remains very much in progress.
Old house with rockers on the porch and Adirondack chairs under the pear tree by the back door, plenty of yard, two vegetable gardens, a memorial garden, and two trees planted for my baby boy.
The house is cozy, though it always needs work. I wish we had an upstairs bathroom (though I survived two pregnancies without, with the bathroom as far as you can get from our bedroom without going outside). It was my husband’s grandparents, so he has lots of good memories here.
No murderers in the basement, just LOTS of spiders and a dirt floor.
My two regrets about where we are living are a) too far from the ocean (I grew up on the coast and sorely miss it) and b) can’t walk enough places.
End-unit condo in quiet neighborhood in a suburb. Three bedrooms, 2.5 baths, 2 car garage, full basement that I may finish, no yard work or shoveling! Plus, sharing a wall makes me feel very safe and brave (I have a long history of sleepig with a phone clutched in my hands).
In short, this place is perfect for my girls and me. When I got divorced, I didn’t want to rent — I wanted to PAINT. I wanted it to feel permanent (unlike my marriage). And I wanted it to be new — it’s not so much that I’m a new construction snob but that I am not handy in the least. I needed a warranty!
It’s home. And every day I thank God that I have the means to support us (and, as a writer, I get to do it from home!). I look at my girls’ perfectly decorated “princess” rooms and it makes me happy. Recently, my mom was asking my oldest daughter (4.5), what her favorite thing to do was. She answered, “Just be home playing with my toys with my mom in my house.”
That’s when I knew I created the perfect sanctuary for us.
After all, isn’t that what a home should be? Rent/ own, city/ suburb. Doesn’t matter as long as it’s filled with love and laughter.
Dh and I live in a townhouse in a suburban city. It is a large city but is mostly just a collection of sprawling suburban neighborhoods.
Our home is a two story, with a large “dining/play” deck and a small bbq deck. We also have a 150 square foot yard we totally neglect while dreaming of a cozy oasis.
We bought it 4 years ago and poured all of our time and money into it to make it our home. We painted and plumbed and replaced floors and light fixtures. It was us.
Then we finally had our baby after 3 years of IF.
It is not so much home now. It’s small and cramped and the stairs are a PITA. And the layout is not kid friendly — the kitchen is really closed off so DS can’t hang out while we do anything in there. Which means we don’t do as much in there as is necessary. And the kitchen is above the bedrooms so noise was an issue with our light sleeping infant. It sucked.
And we are stuck. It is worth less now (like more than 30% less) than when we bought it not even considering how much $$ we put into it.
I wish we had just rented a house and painted the walls and agreed to paint them back before we moved. But I can’t go back and get a do over.
Homeownership had been significantly more expensive than we expected but that’s life.
Oh, and let’s see we have neighbors on either side that we only hear when they are doing big work (hammering, etc).
Good luck with your search!
Buy the house, install an alarm system, and get a dog. You will get used to it, and you will be so happy. That house sounds lovely. Although, I must admit to some hypocrisy because we bought a condo so that we could afford to live in the city. I suppose we could have afforded a house on “the fringe” somewhere but not in a part of the city we wanted to live in. And yet, we are in sort of a fringe area. (Eckhart Park/West Town in Chicago.) It’s pretty safe, but there’s not as much shopping/restaurants nearby as we would like. Still, there’s more than we used to have (in Logan Square) and it makes such a difference. We hardly ever go to the cute coffeeshop across the street, and our almost-1-year-old makes the trendy restaurants nearby superfluous, but I am happy just knowing they are there. One big drawback to our current place is that it is right on a very busy street, which our balcony overlooks. So your concern about being the last house on the street seems crazy to me! Incidentally, I just wrote a post today about raising kids in the city.
Just wondering if there is co-op housing where you are? I live in Vancouver, Canada, so don’t know what the american options are, or your local ones. Co-op housing has met our urban living desires very similar to yours – want to stay in the city but houses are far, far out of our range (and will probably always be); suburban living isn’t an option because of our jobs and the suburbs aren’t actually much cheaper. But – we wanted to live somewhere that wasn’t an apartment, where we could stretch our legs a bit, and where our kids (1st coming in 3 weeks) could have a safe place to play and a community to grow up in.
The upside of co-ops is that it is akin to owning – we got to choose new flooring, they paint and clean before you move in, we’re in a townhouse complex with a playground, daycare, etc – but you don’t have to pay for or do any of the actual work yourself! It’s not subsidized housing, but it *is* non-profit housing, so all the housing costs and membership shares everyone pays goes to the greater good & maintenance of the whole co-op. Sure, we don’t have equity this way, but it feels so good to be paying money for things that we will actually benefit from, and living somewhere more and more young families with no chance of owning in this city are moving.
Don’t know if it’s an option for you or even exist, but it seems like the most stable option for us with the least amount of compromise.
Tiny house (900 sq ft) with 2 bedrooms, 1.5 baths. It’s tiny and can really fit only one child, but it’s ours. That was key for my husband – not attached to anyone else (we did our time with a 4th floor walkup and no parking, too). Our neighbors are within shouting distance and they know when our son is having a good or bad night. But they’re great people so it’s okay. They do our driveway in winter, my husband does another neighbor’s lawn in spring.
We’re in a small city bordering a larger city, and we can walk to necessities (convenience store, supermarket, even some restaurants) but it’s just not cute like being inside the city. We can take public transportation into the main city, though. For us, it is the perfect balance of suburban neighborliness and urban diversity. Just one more bedroom, and it would be perfect forever.
It is Expensive to own a house, though! And at the beginning, not that much of your monthly payment is really going into equity.
Right now, we’re paying entirely too much rent on a small house in the suburbs of Seattle (does it count as a suburb if you’re across a huge ass lake?). We can walk some places (park, pharmacy, pizza place, coffee [it is Seattle]), but it’s not very urban. The school district is one of the best in the state, but the cost of housing is insane.
I’m really tired of my pretty pretty money disappearing into the ether, like you, but I know that we can’t afford to buy a house here. Even the shady neighborhoods are out of our price range.
When Baby Daddy and I decided to move in together, we went for a house instead of an apartment, because it seemed like a “step” in the direction of actual grown-up-hood. A week before we moved in we found out that I had, uh, “gotten into trouble” and we were sure glad we were going to have the extra space.
Our not even articulated “five year plan” of renting a house, maybe buying a house, maybe getting a dog, maybe buying a car, maybe getting married, became a one year plan of holy shit we are having a tiny person fuck fuck buy car! buy crib!
Now that we have the unexpected and much loved baby and the hastily purchased station wagon, grown-up-hood doesn’t seem as scary anymore and we desperately want to own “our” house. We are the only renters on our block.
We’ve repeatedly offered to buy it, but our landlords know they have a good thing going collecting our rent every month, and we’re too chicken to find another “our” house, so we’ve renewed the lease.
At least once a week BD or I make a comment to the other about an improvement to the house that we should do, before reminding each other/ourselves that we don’t own the place. Sigh.
We live in a dinky college town, in the neighborhoody-but-still-”urban” (for dinky college town) area. I’m five minutes from everything via car, but my walking options are a)a porn shop, b)a checks cashed (nay! TWO checks cashed), c)a trashy Walgreens, d)a rent-to-own furniture shop. Le sigh.
We live in Alexandria, VA a close in suburb of DC. We completely love it. We bought in a fringe neighborhood 11 years ago, and so lucked out, our neighborhood, Del Ray, has become kind of a hot property. We can walk to coffee shops, wine stores, an organic grocery, cheese store, lots of restaurants, we totally love it. Plus we’re maybe 15 mins from downtown. I believe in living where you work so I’m about 2 miles from the office, DH maybe 2.5. Our trade off is its a smaller house and we’ve needed to do some fixup. Beats cookie cutter suburbia any day to me, that would kill me. I’d check neighborhoods that are walkable, use that as one of your reference points. Who wants to get in their car all the time or spend hours commuting?
I used to live in a house on the edge of what I call “the ghetto” in Anchorage. I loved the proximity to downtown and to work, but the drunks walking by in the night bothered me, plus the gang-banger stereos rattling the windows got old.
This summer, we bought a lovely house in a very nice neighborhood three houses from a bluff at the south end of the city and we love it. It is a full 40 minutes from work and 35 from downtown but I don’t care. It is safe, Halloween will be fun for the first time because we can actually trick-or-treat without fear of death and we have the best neighbors. Totally worth it.
We’re in the center of the city, in a very walkable, lots of street cafes, shops, etc sort of neighborhood on the edge of an entertainment district used by a lot of suburban kids and African Amercians that we don’t really use. We’re also a block from the fraying edge, as you so nicely put it. This area is an old African American neighborhood (dating back to late colonial era) that became the immigrant Jewish neighborhood, that borders the still ethnically-Italian neighborhood. It’s on the edge of new immigrant communities of Vietnamese and Mexicans. The houses are small and pretty expensive (in the range of 350-900,000, but were a lot cheaper when we bought in seven years ago, but not nearly as cheap as when it WAS the fraying edge about fifteen years ago). The schools are not great, and there are problems of crime and drugs but I love this neighborhood. Sadly, we’ll be leaving when Hallie gets to kindegarten because of issues with public schools–and between special ed and not being able to afford a private school ed for the girls, we kind of have to leave. And then we’ll look for a near in suburb that is walkable and has a town center and count the days until they graduate high school and I can move back to the city.
2,111SF 4BR in urban Hoboken (right across the Hudson from Manhattan). Awesome convenience, walking distance to stores and parks, decent size terrace, indoor parking, but large price tag. We spent about $100k more than we wanted to on our condo, but since we were able to sell our 2BR for a decent price and got a 4.5% interest rate, barely affordable. So far we are happy with our decision.
Forgot to mention that we are on the fraying edge of town (across the street from power station and housing projects) BUT one block away from light rail. Same apartment next to the river would be double in price, and we’ve been here six months and have never felt scared at night when we come home from long evening walks.
When I moved back to Albany the first thing my former boss said to me was, “I hate to be your dad here but you should think about real estate”. I make good money and I live in a place where homes aren’t ridiculously expensive. Keep in mind that I lived in Upper NW DC where if a home was less than seven figures then it was ‘cheap’. And then I moved to Albany, I was uneasy. Now I live by myself in an apartment that is the perfect size for me right now. People keep telling me to ‘just’ buy a house but for me it isn’t ‘just’ it feels so permanent and I don’t like to think of things as permanent.
I feel like I’m going to live here long enough. I don’t see myself moving at any point in the near future. So I’m going to buy paint anyway.
I can relate to this post completely. We bought a house on the fringe of an urban neighborhood too. I was nervous about what was 8 blocks west of us, but my husband loves to remind me that the guy in the 2 million dollar house 3 blocks east hears the same gunshots we do.
I have to say, buying this house is the best purchase we have ever made. I have made friends here, and so have my children. Our layout is perfect for toddlers lapping the house, and the backyard is ideal for giving small children a little freedom while still keeping them safe. I love where I live. I’m home here, just as you said.
At the time we bought the house, the decision was between the one we’re in and another at the very top of our price range, but a little less on the fringe. But that was before the recession and the housing crash, and now I am so thankful we made the decision we did. I love our home, and even though we’ve had a second child and the economy is very different than it was two years ago, we are still comfortable here, financially and otherwise.
Madison, WI, west-side suburb. It’s a lovely house across the street from a park. Two-bedroom, two-bath, refinished but not expensively.
It’s currently for sale. We’re tired of living in the ‘burbs and want to move closer to the downtown. We want to be able to walk to restaurants, etc., and are having the same problems you’re having. The ones we can afford in the areas we want are either in the “bad” portions of those areas or are too run-down to consider.
I love my house. You *can* walk from our neighborhood to coffee and to the gorcery store- even to downtown, though it’s a bit of a haul (more than a mile). We’re in a perhaps slightly in the frayed edges- although the pimps and drug dealers moved out shortly before we got here. We live in a north of Seattle- not really a suburb, more like a small town. Owning a house is expensive- both the cost of the house and fixing it up. But…worth it, I think. I love sitting outside and hearing the traffic on the nearby freeway rush by- I feel like I’ve stepped out of the rat race for a few moments, and can breathe.
My house is fantastic. It’s lime green. Just had to put that out there.
The main reason we moved is so we wouldn’t have to share walls and floors and ceilings with anyone anymore. We (my partner Maybe and I) were living in the top floor of a 2 story house. We loved the neighborhood we were in, but couldn’t stand the landlord mounting his surround sound system speakers right at his ceiling, which was our floor, so we would hear everything each time he turned on the TV (He lived downstairs from us. We affectionately nicknamed him “Dinkface”).
Our neighborhood is the largest French speaking population in Canada outside of the province of Quebec, which is awesome since Maybe is from France. We have big trees, a huge backyard with a large deck, fantastic neighbors, and we are close to both my family and Maybe’s work. You can see why we love it and we really didn’t want to move. But damn, Dinkface.
Luckily, a house came up for sale at the end of the same street we were living on, just as we were starting to get discouraged in the house hunt. It needed a “little hug” when we moved in, and there will always be more things to do. You learn very quickly when you own a house that you just can’t do everything at once.
If you can afford it, buy a house. It is the BEST investment you will ever make. And you can paint your living room wall purple! (that was one of my conditions of moving… that I get a purple wall)
You’ve inspired me to write a post about my house, Alexa, so thank you! I didn’t really realize how much I love it and how lucky I am to have it until I read your post.
PS I need to pick your brain about cool places to go in the Twin Cities. Maybe and I are going down for a visit soon and I know next to nothing about the area. I’ve been there once, but ended up spending most of my 4 days in the hospital or our hotel room. (Yet more blogging fodder.)
I’ll send you an email, as this is now the longest comment ever.
This is the perfect time to buy! Prices are down, and, if you hurry, you can get the $8000 boost from the government. Stretch; you’ll be glad you did.
We live in the city, in a neighborhood that some consider transitional – but it’s moving in the right direction. What’s critical? An active neighborhood that refuses to let the neighborhood slip into real trouble, working closely with the police department to nip trouble in the bud when it arises, and attracting young couples and families to keep the neighborhood thriving. We had two things we looked for in a neighborhood (beside close proximity to my job so I don’t waste time commuting more than a few minutes). 1) THe sound of saws and hammers on the weekends. This was a sign that people who live here take care of their houses, that they were actively renovating the. 2) Seeing mothers or fathers walking the streets with strollers. This meant that a number of families found the neighborhood to be safe enough for their children. Our ‘transitional’ neighborhood met those criteria and we’ve been here 8 years so far. I’m not saying it’s completely perfect, there is some crime, but it gets dealt with quickly. And houses in our very walkable neighborhood (which is near some great restaurants, a library, a coffee shop, and way too many let-us-do-your-taxes shops and beauty shops) have held their value and continued to rise in the midst of the plummeting suburban home values.
suburb. middle of the country. walk-ability index is zero, but i still love love love it. feel safe, secure, settled. and it’s cheap (did i mention middle of the country? as in middle of the u.s. not the middle of nowhere)
I live in a suburb of St.Paul that begins with ‘R’ — and boasts a mall.
I grew up in Uptown and always imagined a lovely little house in Linden Hills or something a stone’s throw from Louise Erdrich’s bookshop…
A bitter pill to swallow — but you know what? So my neighbors may not be ‘my people’ — the house, which we bought at the height of the market probably — was a pretty penny — as much as a those houses in aforementioned tony neighborhoods…but we’ve been here nearly three years and it is my sanctuary…
I still curse not being able to walk to independent stores and boutiques and living in a liberal enclave…I still think “how in the hell did I end up in R..” — but I’ve also realized that I had my own tremendous biases growing up in the city — I couldn’t have even told you then how to get to where I live now….so limited was my scope — and living here keeps the will to live as closely to my heart as I can strong — sort of like being a Democrat in the Bush years…we’re down the street from my stepson’s mother-in-law — which, in the end, meant more for him than being close to a yoga studio, butcher, co-op, and coffee shop, yarn store, children’s bookstore…lake…
um, what was I saying?
Home is where the heart is — trite, but true…
We basically live in Mayberry – a small, friendly, safe town. Even the college students live in rented houses around here. I love the idea of living someplace where you could walk to a coffee shop or bookstore, but quite honestly, I love my big back yard a lot more. It would be different if I weren’t a parent, or if I had grown up in a different way, but I’ve always lived in a house (except for one year in an apartment) and will always live in a house.
I live in an apartment, my fourth.
It has its perks (hardwood floors, windows in every room) and its downsides (party-loving neighbors, no guaranteed parking).
It’s actually quite nice, and I’m happy to live here for now. It’s not home, though, and no place will be while Boyfriend and I are living in different cities. Right now my apartment is a means to an end, someplace to live while I finish up school.
we moved from the city (st. louis)…smack dab in the middle of gentrification at it’s best to a retirement community (35 years from retirement). strange i know, but it is what it is. i loved our house in st. louis. it was old (built in 1886), remodeled but still holding it’s original charm. in the 5 years that we lived there we got to see new shops open, other houses being rebuilt, restaurants, delis and coffee shops go up on cute little corners. we loved it, but it was still the city. things that never seemed to bother us when we were, well, just the two of us started to matter when it became the 3 of us.
we moved to GA so my husband could finish his residency and after one failed attempt at finding a rental we scored what looked like a cute little place over the internet (it’s only one year…you can survive anything for a year). so now we reside smack dab in the middle of a retirement community with trails all around for biking, a swimming pool where the neighborhood women do water aerobics at 8 am and our house is closely monitored by 8ish sets of surrogate grandparents. we are renting.
both have their perks but i would love something closer to what we had before. i feel lost without the city and i would like to think that the city feels lost without me.
as many have said before, don’t buy something unless you are in love with it. something will come along that is perfect for your paint swatches.
Maybe your answer is to find a new apartment that has a patch of Outdoors, one that you can paint the walls in, even if it’s temporary.
As for the financial aspect, sometimes it’s a better deal to rent. Use the additional money that would have gone to paying the principle to instead invest wisely, and you may see a return greater than if you would have bought property.
I live in a smallish (570 sf) 1br in Washington, DC. It’s more than enough room for me and my cat, and for the girlfriend if things get more serious and she wants to move in. I could even imagine it with a baby, though a toddler would be hard.
The neighborhood was the reason I moved here. It’s pretty dull (though a coffee shop opens next week!) but I love it. It’s by the water and there’s a metro station up the street and I can walk to more interesting neighborhoods. I have an easy commute. Considering the demographics of the area and proximity to transit, crime is extremely low. It is the most economically and racially diverse place I’ve ever lived–my building is 2 blocks from public housing in one direction and from a waterfront filled with fancy boats on the other. I’m also getting a ridiculously good deal on my apartment–I know what my landlord paid for it, and my rent doesn’t even cover his mortgage+condo fee. I couldn’t afford to buy here right now, but I’d like to in the future.
Condo here. Largely due to the fact that houses in the LA area are either a) absurdly priced, b) in the boonies or c) (and most often) BOTH. We have a great neighborhood where we can walk to tons of restaurants, movie theaters, stores and whatnot. We have a huge rooftop deck, big enough for parties! So although we don’t have a yard, we do at least have outdoor space. We also have a few really sketchy neighbors to go along w/ the remaining, generally ok ones. There are trade offs either way . . . whether you opt for a house, condo or another apartment. If you find the right one though, I think you’ll know!
Row home in Philly — have a yard. Park and playground is 1/2 a block away. Restaurants (everything from Indian to Laotian, pizza to Korean, upscale to downscale) galore. Everything is within walking distance… daycare, my work, grocery stores, coffee shops, farmer’s markets, bookstores, clothing stores.
It really doesn’t get any better then this.
We’re very lucky.
We live in a townhouse in Baltimore in a “transitional” neighborhood (Charles Village). We are walking distance to a farmer’s market, movie theatre, restaurants, parks, museums, etc. It is a town house — narrow but long. We have a tiny yard.
Mostly, I love it. Yes, there are issues. Baltimore has a HIGH crime rate (140-some-odd murders this year and counting)– one neighborhood over is eh and the neighborhood over from that is terrible, awful, frightening.
We visited at night a couple times. Read crime reports, went to a community assoc mtg before we bought.
I don’t regret buying. City living and not having to drive to everything is worth it.
Ok, so you are nearing 100 comments here and likely very tired of reading where everyone lives but since you asked, I cannot help but respond.
We live in suburban KC. We bought our house 4 years ago with the plan to move out of it in 3 years or so. It was a starter home. We paid way too much for it but it was the best we could find at the time and now we can’t sell it (we tried for 14 months and are going to try again here soon…want to move to KC? It is so much warmer here ;). It is 3 BR 2 1/2 Bath but the second full bath is in the basement. It is what I imagine showering in a dungeon would be like. I do love our house though. Great hardwood floors. It’s a ranch so it is cheap to heat/cool. Big fenced in backyard. The basement could easily be refinished to include a fourth bedroom. The only other thing it really needs a nice back patio/deck. Defintely fringe neighborhood (the primary comment our realtor got was “we love the house but the neighbors”…so yeah, fringe) but a short drive to anywhere in the city. You can easily walk to parks and to a gas station but that is about it. You could walk to many other places but there are no sidewalks. Seriously, KC is not a walking city. Sad. I would love to live somewhere I could walk five minutes to get coffee.
I would say now is definitely the time to buy if you can but I would wait until you find something you truly love. I remember kinda forcing myself to get over the issues I had with our house and wow, I’ve kicked myself so many times for it now. Be really, really sure.
Re: Ariella–”Bad portions of Madison, WI”–you MUST be joking! What, are they not close enough to the Farmers Market where you buy your “fair trade” coffee and hand made lilac scented eye pillow?
In a recession, Sarah Lawrence girl can’t afford suburban home of her suburban dreams. Stop the presses. Bring me a sidecar and I’ll take a nap in $1500 crib.
What’s unaffordable to you? I live in St. Paul’s Macalester-Groveland neighborhood, and it’s currently as affordable as it’s been in the decade I’ve lived here. Check it out! Don’t leave St. Paul! But keep in mind that home ownership is like having another child — it requires either constant care and upkeep, or a tolerance for never being quite happy with your sanctuary. (And my home IS a sanctuary, on its postage-stamp plot and surrounded by worth-their-weight-in-gold neighbors.) You’ll be surprised by how much time you spend doing the “normal” stuff houses need — not to mention what it costs to get stuff fixed (if you’re not handy, which we aren’t. At all).
NW suburbs of Minneapolis. I’m about as far north in Anoka county as you can be and still be considered in the ‘Twin Cities’. Oddly enough I grew up in a suburb about 15 miles south of there (Anoka for anyone playing along) and as a teenager I thought I would HATE living in a suburb when I grew up – I really loved Minneapolis and the feel of it etc. I lived on campus during my college years (actually I lived more ‘off campus’ as it was nicer, Holmes that is vs Dinkytown). I did like living in Minneapolis but when I met my husband to be and he lived out in the sticks (he actually OWNED a house! And a nice car! and had a good job! what more could a gal want??) I was resigned to the fact that I’d have to live in the sticks too. Geeze, in those days he called Spring Lake Park ‘the city’ (which it is definatley NOT the city as he is now aware). But the thing is, I absolutely love my house. And my good sized yard (not ridiculous big, just nice big). Yes, I can’t walk anywhere which makes me a bit sad. But I can do anything to my house, my son has some great kids to play with, it is quiet and very safe. And i didn’t pay an arm and a leg to live there. downside of course is commuting to jobs but even there we do ok – we carpool. Being in a house by myself doesn’t scare me in the least. In fact these days I get pratically tingly at the idea of having the entire house to myself. I could be in any room! doing any activity I want! The possibilities are endless! Damn, now I want to be at home by myself. :-)
My aunt and uncle live in a very nice condo along the river in St Paul. Those ones that are down by the River center? Sorta new? It is a beautiful place and their balcony has a great view of the river (they don’t face the river but you can see it if you turn that way). But it feels so small to me. I’m not sure how they went from their huge Robbinsdale home to small condo. My cousin also lives in St Paul in a house but I’ve never been to their house so I don’t know what neighborhood at all.
Good luck in the house hunting! :-)
We live in Woodlawn in Chicago – it is on the southside and it gets a bad wrap..but while you put up with a few whinos and crack heads (and prostitutes, whom we actually like and get along well with)there is more greenery and parks than you can shake a stick at and there is very little traffic for being in the middle of the city AND it’s affordable-very. We can walk to restaurants and grocery or we can take the train downtown. We drive places too. We rent a house because after 8 years of living in the two condos we own (and hate that we own. stab stab.) we’d had it with people living on top of us. [an aside: please please please do not buy a condo. They are hell on cinderblocks and have caused more stress and poison in our lives than we ever could have imagined...thats why we bought two!!! because we hate relaxing and feeling secure and we're idiots!] A lot of our friends don’t understand how we can live in Woodlawn because yes, parts of it are sketchy. But I say well, parts of every city and every suburb are sketchy and oddly enough, we really like living on the very very “fraying edge” of a nicer neighborhood.
I’ve blabbered on enough…the take home lesson of this should be: don’t buy a condo. And if you must because it is perfect/affordable/beautiful then make sure you buy a condo whose board/association are a)solvent and b)well established i.e. the bylaws are written and people pay their assessments every month and the treasurer is not stealing from the pot.
I’m at a townhome condo, which you might think is exactly what you want. I can walk to 3 different grocery stores within 5 minutes. 4 if I want to walk for 10 minutes. There’s at least 20 restaurants nearby and a shopping centre.
I am in the middle of a stack townhome, and because it’s European style, my neighbours took care of the basement situation. I live in the upper 2 floors, and they take the ground floor and the basement level.
But this is in Toronto, Canada. And some of my neighbours give me the worrisome thoughts. The kids here have a headstart on the loitering. I once left my bicycle outside for at MOST 1 minute and they swarmed it out of nowhere. Once I was outside at night and this lone kid roamed my street, looking into every parked car, and staring up constantly at the windows. SO creepy. He’s going to be a criminal…I can tell…
Outside of the creepy kids, I DO like my neighbourhood set up. Oh, I really wish sometimes that I have a basement to store all my crap…Your home’s mess is nothing compared to mine!
I live in a house in a small city. I love it, we are a mile from anywhere I want to go, I can walk if I want or drive if the weather is crumby and I always have the same parking spot.
We’ve owned our house 3 years and are now looking to upgrade since we have another baby on the way. Despite the “tanked” economy, our house has gone up $20K in value since we bought it.
I think it’s funny you find houses creepy because I hated living in an apartment. I always made sure I was home before dark because I was scared to walk from my car to my building. Hearing other people also creeped me out to no end.
We looked in a couple emerging neighborhoods in DC. We could have gotten so much more space for the money but we opted for a smaller place in an established neighborhood. 2 beds, 1 bath…2 grown-ups and a baby. I often wish we had more space, but the great neighborhood makes it easier to suck it up. It also helps that we don’t plan to live here in the long term. We expect to move in a few years. Our place has held its value better than the places we saw in the emerging neighborhoods. That’s the good news. The bad news is that we will not make the kind of money we might have made if we were willing to stay a few years in the other neighborhoods.
Me… I’m in a house which is technically in a suburb, but it is less than a mile from the Mpls border, so I feel like I’m in the city. I had a massive panic attack after we moved here… married, house in the suburbs, yikes! I told my husband if we ever bought a minivan I wanted him to hit me in the head with a sledgehammer to put me out of my misery.
After living here 10 years, I can tell you there are positives and negatives to any living arrangement you choose. I LOVE my house and my location and my neighbors, but all good things come at a price. For instance, that patch of grass you want will have to be mowed once a week. And those paint chips you love are awesome until you actually have to pick one color out of the thousands to paint on your living room walls (and then you have to find the time to do the painting). At some point, the furnace and shingles amongst other things will wear out and need to be replaced. But it is fantastic to have your own washer and dryer! And no noisy neighbors on the other side of a thin wall. And a lovely screened in porch to sit in on a beautiful summer evening. A home that is YOURS!
My advice is if the place doesn’t make your heart sing, don’t buy it. It might take longer to find one that makes your heart sing, but it is worth it. Don’t ever buy anything if you have to talk yourself into it! You will find a house that meets all your needs and most of your wants and you’ll think you found the best place in the whole world. It took a long time to find our house and I’m so glad we were patient.
In the mean time, ever thought about renting a house rather than buying one? It could be a great way to shed the hassles of apartment life quickly so that you can take your time to find the right house to buy.
We live in Metuchen, NJ. A tiny town completely surrounded by another. (Like the hole in a donut.) Lots of old and charming homes. (We live in a typical cookie-cutter, not lucky -or rich- enough to get one of the Victorians).
We bought our house 3 years ago, and while some things about home ownership suck, we wouldn’t change a thing. The neighborhood is fabulous, and the downtown Main Street is adorable. (And has all the things you listed! ice cream, bagel places, coffee shops, and restaurants.) And walkable! Now that we have 3 kids, I’m so grateful for the extra space. The backyard has been a blessing, I can sit in the sunroom with my coffee and watch my kids run screaming around the yard. Love it, so glad we moved here.
Oooo come to suburban Philly! We live in half of a twin, but the other half doesn’t exist anymore. We’re the first house out of a nice small walking shopping district and the location is incredible! I guess Philly is hit or miss with its areas (“In West Philadelphia born and raised…”). We bought this house almost a year ago. But hold out on the house-buying until you have a place you’ll love! Sometimes I wish we didn’t live next to a parking lot (you can’t really tell that you do when you’re inside, but I love the proximity to fresh vegetables (across the street). And I’m glad we’re not in suburbia, which would have been so isolating as a mom of a two-month old!
I live in a house in a town very close to a big city. I guess I’m about as suburban as it gets!
Before I got married I lived in a condo in a big city in the downtown area. When I met my hubby he lived in this house and as I was only renting I was forced to move here. I did not want to and was dreading the whole suburbia thing!
Now? You could not pay me enough to live in the city. I love it here. I am within walking distance to my doctor, chiropractor and dentist. Also, my grocery store, and some restaurants.
The thing I love most about our location is lots of pathways, lots of parks, low crime and I know all of my neighbours. I also live in a cul-de-sac and I say that they are the way to go! Kids can play without much worry and your neighbours always watch out for you!
Good luck with your house hunt, it’s a big decision hey!!
I spent years living in the suburbs of DC because I was terrified of living in the city. It just seemed so big and dangerous to me. I bought a condo/townhouse in one of the fringe areas right before the market soared. Then I realized I hated living in the suburbs – chain restaurants and strip malls as far as the eye can see. Traffic was a nightmare – 4 hour round trip commute each day. Screaming kids everywhere running through the yard. Too many people packed into too small of an area without any thought given to design or planning. Just sprawl.
So I sold it and moved to the country. bought a nice 2000 sq. foot home on an acre of land in the middle of nowhere Virginia. You could see the stars at night and hear the birds in the trees. My back deck looked out onto acres of undeveloped woods.
I was bored out of my mind. The house always needed work done inside or out. Something was always leaking/breaking/growing/leaning/etc… The nearest coffee shop was 25 minutes away. The only restaurant was a tiny McDonalds that was part of a gas station. It was rural and gorgeous and awful.
After a year I sold the house and moved to Richmond, VA. Got an awesome historic apartment in the heart of the historic district known as the Fan. Could walk to two markets, countless restaurants and bars, and at least two coffee shops. Grocery stores and shops were an easy bike ride away. Cost of living was higher, but quality of life was so much better than the country or the burbs. The downside was the noise from the traffic and the neighbor dogs and college kids having parties and staggering home from bars at 2am. Also had to walk three flights of stairs into the creepy basement with 12 quarters to do one load of laundry.
So a few months ago I found a cute little rental house with a yard and a screen porch and a washer/dryer (!!!) that was only a mile away from where I was living. I can’t walk to anything any more, but it’s still an easy bike ride or a 2 minute car ride to anything you can think of. It’s the best compromise I’ve found. No sprawl, no traffic, no city noise, no terrible commute to anything, and not a chain restaurant in sight. It’s all about finding the perfect mix of space and convenience and culture.
It took a lot of searching (6 months), but we found a house that needed very minor work (stuff we could do, nothing major), in a northern suburb but on the bus line. What really sold me was the home inspection. Even though it was 40 years old, most of the major updates had recently been done and it was pretty much move in ready.
The neighborhood is 15 or less min from downtown and we bike to the grocery store. So, yes, it’s in the ‘burbs, but still really close to downtown. And maybe it’s me, but fixing something in your home just makes you feel awesome and proud of your work. And I’m the LAZIEST person out there. Maybe consider some of the other comments to rent a home. Say West St. Paul or Uptown?
We own a townhouse in the suburbs. The house itself is ok- it has enough room for us and is clean (well, in general) functional. Not deluxe, but it could be worse. We have nice neighbors and lots of kids around, but our neighborhood is not walkable AT ALL. I have to drive everywhere and I hate it. The local parks suck (mainly just a playground and grass, I want trees and trails). I fantasize about moving, but we’re likely stuck for a few more years. Our situation really could be worse, but I’m just a snob that way I guess.
We have a basement, so far no murderers and only one mouse, so I consider that a success.
I bought a small, freehold townhouse on a busy street in a fringy type neighbourhood within walking distance of downtown Ottawa (I can walk or cycle to work.) There are lots of coffee shops, restaurants, shops, parks close by, and also rooming houses, slidy bars and “social services.” And now I have a 2-year old and being close to everything is turning out to be a great thing, esp. since the crackhouse next door was sold and renovated! So my advice — buy small and cheap, buy fringe, get out and enjoy your urban life and be one of those cool parents with the hip, edgy kid. 2 hours of commuting to the suburbs are 2 hours you could be spending with Simone at the park. Interest rates are great right now, so pay off your house as quickly as possible and then upgrade in 10 years. I hope you find a home in an area you can really live in.
I swear you were channeling my innermost thoughts when you wrote about the creepiness of being alone in a house w/o the sound of neighbors nearby. I grew up in a house like that and I HATED it. But at the same time, I LOVE the country. I’m just not a city person at heart…I’m a country person who wants lots of neighbors right near by. Thankfully, we live in a small cluster of homes that were built on an old farm (in Vermont). Our house is a duplex, so I have the comfort of knowing that my closest neighbors are attached to our home (great soundproofing, however, so we don’t hear everything that goes on there). And the neighbors on the other side are about 10 ft away. However, when I look out the bay windows of our living room, I see sheep pasture, the barn silo, and the mountains beyond. It’s the perfect combination! (But boy, I do miss the coffee shops. And Indian takeout!)
We rent a house in the suburbs, and we’ve realized we are city folk and plan to move to a house where we can walk to things… and we’ll probably rent again because we just don’t have money for a downpayment and here in DC it’s still way less per month to rent a house than to buy one. It might be a good way to try out the house thing without the commitment. As a bonus, most of the landlords I’ve had have let me paint. My favorite place, in San Diego, we called “The Beautiful Mind House” owing to the extremely detailed schematics that filled the inside of the central vacuum (sweet!) closet. These were to illustrate the placement and usage of in-ground watering for about 15 square feet of lawn. There were also little staircases all under the deck built for cats to play in. But the place was awesome, gorgeous landscaping (some weird, it featured many sinks and tubs planted with various things), walking distance to everything you’d want. Still renting there we learned we’d have rather been a few streets up… so renting is also a good way to scout a neighborhood before you buy.
I live in an apartment. I do not like my neighborhood, BUT, it’s close to the freeway and I live 45 minutes from work. So, it’s convenient. When I do buy something, it will be in a way better neighborhood. Probably farther away from work.
I missed this post because away for Labor Day…I wanna join, especially since I read your follow up post…
Okay, first I totally totally get your being in the house alone thing. When my husband is away for business, I have my son sleep in our bed with me. Yes, its nice to cuddle him, but his 10 year old ass saves mine–right?!?!
I live in a house in a suburb of Boston, MA. We have lived there for about 11 years, and I like living 30-45 mins. (depending on traffic) near the city. We can always have trips to Cambridge or Boston very easily, but we can just as easily go into Lexington or Concord (more rural). I love the art and history all around us. I think if I could change one thing, I would like to move our house to a less busy street. (Oh, and my commute kinda sucks, but the neighborhoods where that would not be an issue are way too expensive).
(Oh, and I grew up in Michigan, so I get the whole midwestern thing too!)
Thank goodness we don’t have basements in this part of Texas, because I’d be constantly worried that the murderer would come up from down there. We live in a house in Austin, and bought it when the monthly mortgage payments were equal to that of our apartment. Well, a teensy bit more. I like the house, but am scared to commit to color, so my walls are all the same shade of ‘cream.’ It is hot here, so I am adverse to yard work, which is sadly apparent. Plus, my husband travels a lot for work, and I’m scared of the dark. AND, my cats will often do that freaky cat thing where they whip their heads around to stare into the darkness beyond my cracked-open bedroom door…as though to see the phantom murderer’s approach. Then I get scared-er. The neighborhood’s good, though, and is close to stuff.
We have a house in the suburb of a beautiful historic city. It’s a fantastic area for things to do, culture, an hour from Philly, NYC, and 30 minutes from the Poconos, an hour from my family. The only thing I hate is the ever-increasing taxes and constant development that has taken over this once-rural farming valley. We are not in a walkable location, but not far from the things we like to do. I love owning a home but would never do so alone. Husband and I like to do projects together and the sense of accomplishment and ownership is nice. It truly does feel like our sanctuary. Buy a home that is within your means, you don’t want to be strapped and stressed out over money. You can always put in an alarm system to give you peace of mind. Owning a home is not the end-all, be-all of life, some people wouldn’t own a home even if you gave them one for free. Good luck! I love reading your blog. :)
My house, a side split surrounded by tall maples on a corner lot, and I were built in the same year, 1962. I like to think of us growing old together, both with lots of “projects” that need attending to. In 1979, the original owners built on an enormous room, the kind of room you simply can not conceive of having a use for. We’ve opted to fill it with big things – a big 112 gal aquarium, a big old desk for my office corner, a big tv etc. With large glass windows running across the front and back, it’s a bit like living in an aquarium and more than once I’ve had the neighbours comment on the tv they see us watching as they walk by!
We are situated in Kitchener, Ontario, about an hour west of Toronto. Our neighbourhood is still mostly populated by the people that built it, so there are lots of widows and widowers nearby, their kids all grown. But that is slowly changing and each week brings cards in the door from hopeful realtors, asking us if we’d consider selling. It was hard to leave my old house in the city’s downtown park, but with the arrival of our youngest, we simply outgrew it and renovation wasn’t practical.
Being a military brat, (something you don’t outgrow) I never imagined living somewhere more than 3 years, but I’ve lived here since graduating university 24 years ago, so perhaps this is it!
We’ve been in a house for a year, which is about an hour away from NY. Nothing but the bus to NY (where I work) and a park (the hilly hiking kind) are within walking distance, and it’s a lot to keep clean. But. I love it. I was in dorms forever (okay, less than 4 years, but it felt like forever) and an apartment for a while, and I hated both. I hated the noise. I hated the orange shag carpeting. I hated the lack of privacy. Our house is far away from work, but means that my boyfriend gets an office. I have space for crafting (and which doubles as a guest room). We have an amazing kitchen. We have room for our big group of friends to all hang out. We have room for all of our books, which between the two of us is nothing short of amazing. Someday there might even be room for a puppy, or a baby. I love being far enough away from the city that when I come home for the weekend, it feels like a tiny vacation. Sometimes I wish I lived in Brooklyn, near so many of my friends from work (especially at 6 am, when my alarm goes off). Sometimes I wish we lived on 60 completely secluded acres in the middle of New Mexico, away from everything (usually after a particularly lovely subway ride). But I’m usually overwhelmingly happy with our house in the suburbs.
I’ve been reading your blog for a while, but this is my first comment:
My husband and I bought a small house (built in 1941– no closet space but lovely wood floors, which somehow are more important to me…) on the fringe of a desirable neighborhood in Austin. We are in the exact kind of place you described: literally blocks away from a sketchy car repair shop in one direction and houses WAY beyond our price range in the other… On our first night in the new house, we were sitting in the backyard enjoying ourselves when we were interrupted by a police helicopter’s searchlight. We just both looked at each other like, “oh shit– what have we gotten ourselves into?” But, except for that one incident, we’ve had no problems. Nice neighbors for the most part, no break-ins, etc.
I can’t wait for your book to come out!
I live in a house in South Minneapolis. There are no houses across the street, just 35W. There is non-stop hum of traffic and a continual parade of planes roaring in overhead. And I could not love the place more. We may consider moving to the country or very small town someday, but never the suburbs, mark my words.
p.s. a.) Love your blog b.)Can’t wait for your book and c.) I went to Dr. Bowtie too
We moved to KS from OH 2 years ago for a job. lost our house in OH to a short sale due to the fact that my husband’s business was suffering. We rented a 4 bedroom close to new home for two years paying 1700 a month (more than our mortgage in OH). We just moved from the house to a town home and will be saving almost $500 a month in rent. It is smaller and we have a garage full of stuff that we need to go through before winter so that we can park the car in the garage. We definitely like the new street we live on. We figure we will take a year to save and figure out where we want to live. We still don’t feel like KS is home so we may be making a major move at the end of that time but everything will depend on the job of course.
New York City, UES, apartment. As urban as you know.
Very interesting – Thanks for sharing!
I lived in Simi Valley, CA (yes that Simi Valley, CA) until I was 13. Picture Edward Scissor Hands except our neighbors were even whiter – Translucent if you will. For as much as I have hated that town and all that it stands for as an adult, as a child, I loved it. We romped freely in the homogeneous streets and hiked merrily in the surrounding hills. I can’t imagine my son having that kind of freedom anywhere anymore… And that totally sucks. I fear that he is doomed to a childhood of scheduled play dates.
We have lived in the same house for the last 6 years. We leased it for 2 years and then bought it at the height of the market… yay. It is in an “up and coming” community just outside of Downtown Los Angeles. It has been up and coming for the last 15 years. We live in the hills and have incredible views, but have to deal with the occasional gun shot, low flying police helicopter with searchlight and periodic fence tagging. I have an alarm and I use it – Especially when my husband isn’t home at night.
Our cute 2 bedroom house was great when we were without child – It has amazing decks and a hot tub and is perfect for outside entertaining. But now with a 16 month old it feels cramped and inconvenient and dangerous. How do you baby proof a cliff? We plan to migrate North someday. Portland or Seattle to be exact. Where the cost of living is less, the air is fresher, the summers aren’t a blazin and the green is just… more green. Plus both cities are totally hip and foodie friendly. And maybe, just maybe, I can fulfill my dream of having a little land so my horse can live in my back yard.
I live in a house built in 1928 in Tucson, AZ. We live close-ish to downtown about 3 blocks removed from a posh yet artsy area. It’s pretty close to the University of Arizona, which I love for the associated cafes, bars, etc. within walking distance. We can also throw a rock and hit a charming little market that has the most delicious Sunday brunches. It’s my favorite part of town because it’s old and has so much character. Downsides: non-existent closets, tiny kitchen, tiny bathroom and all horribly outdated. We are currently in the middle of a long-planned renovation project to alleviate these things. After we’re done I believe our house and surrounding environment will be divine!
You sound like you would love Europe. Of course I am biased as that is where we (my midwestern American husband and baby and cat) live. My best friend is moving from Rhode Island at the end of the month to be in Europe again, precisely for the pavements (side-walks), metropolitan way of life, the mutlti-cultural vibrancy, creativity and also the villagey feel and other things you want at the same time. If you and Scott can be self-employed, what’s stopping you? You can even visit your mum with an hour flight at the weekends!
I used to sleep with the phone by my hand when I was home alone, too; then we got two dogs. I still leave lights on all over the house sometimes when my guy’s on business trips, but not often.
We bought a home that I love, love, love although it needs a lot of work. It’s been four years since we bought it and haven’t done nearly the amount of work we thought we would. We can be kinda lazy, though, and/or broke, and/or easily overtaken by life’s other demands. It’s all good, though – it’s worth having the random quirks & imperfections to be in our own space.
We’ve only painted a couple of the rooms so far, but the colors we used are freaking awesome. :)
I live in Australia in a suburb of greater Sydney called St Peters (about 5-10 minute train ride from city centre). I rent a 2 BR which feels a bit posh because I finally have a rental with a dining room!
I love my neighbourhood because of:
- the Station Cat. It’s black and white and always hanging around the train station. Sometimes it’s on the walkway leading in, sometimes it’s on the platform, sometimes it sits on top of a giant, decaying pylon, defying understanding of how it got up there in the first place, sometimes it’s on the steep embankments leading down to the tracks. It has attitude and a freezing stare.
- the art project: where council gave up the delusion it could create a graffiti free city and instead, gave permission for a set of laneways to be “street art” projects… it’s wild murals galore, both scary and awe-inspiring (http://www.mays.org.au/artists.htm)
- the Garbage Park, just up the road: formerly a brick works industrial area, it’s now been revamped, complete with a lake in the middle where I have actually seen pelicans, GIANT eels, black swans, ibises, ducks, duck, ducks, seagulls and on one day, a turtle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Park) They even dress up the brick-work smoke stacks with AIDS-day ribbons, christmas decorations etc
- the Doll Girl. This is not her real name, but what I call her. She walks past me every morning at the bus stop and she has a doll like face and every single day, she has an amazing 50’s flouncy dress on, with perfect hair. I have a total friend crush on her. Yes, I know how creepy that sounds!
I grew up in the outer suburbs of Sydney, all sensible middle-class families and big houses with driveways and yards and space. Feels weird that I actually feel more at “home” in my cramped, crowded, dirty, grimy inner city!!
i just moved out of new york city which is, in my very humble opinion, the best place on earth. i felt calm there amid all the chaos. i felt comforted by the fact that there was always someone out on the street. we moved to the dreaded suburbs (schools, backyard, etc.) i spent the first couple of months terrified of the house. in my apartment, there were so many floors for a murderer to come up. in a house, there are just windows. the quiet of the suburbs scares me, the space of the suburbs scares me. you’re not alone!
I am late to the party, but I live in NE Minneapolis, right on the edge of the Village of St. Anthony (not to be confused with St. Anthony Park in St. Paul near the U of MN, which is one of my ideal neighborhoods, but alas far too pricey). We live in a small bungalow built in 1940. We finished the basement (and added a 3/4 bath) 2 years ago just before our 2nd son was born – no creepy basement here, it’s where the TV & computers are & is the family/toy/rec room.
I have 2 boys courtesy of Dr. Bowtie – 1 fresh IVF cycle, & 1 FET. Small world!
How fun. I’m enjoying your posts so much, that I wrote one of my own.
http://philosopherjagger.blogspot.com/2009/09/home-is-where-your-heart-isrump-rests.html
I was in lockdown but now me and my best girls is in segregation. You don’t want to know why.
Hiya
I know exactly where you are, i think. We went from a condo opposite Saji-Ya, to a house on Ashland just west of Lexington when our 2nd kid came along. The neighborhood there was unexpectedly phenomenal, a little perfect world. I missed the joys of Grand but the neighbors made up for it. Unfortunately we couldn’t afford to stay so now we are on the edges of where we want to be, on Iglehart around Victoria- certainly a different hood but we love the house and our lives are almost the same as before with a little more chainlink fence to look at. But our mortagage is halved and we pay around your rent for the joys (?!) of homeownership. Come up to the hood, we have two little girls for playdates… stalkerish? Don’t mean to be!
One comment: Cemeteries are wonderful neighbors. Quiet, beautiful, well-kept, permanent. After a while you stop seeing the stones and just see the grass and trees – it’s like an enormous garden you don’t pay taxes on.
Like another commenter, I think you need to come to Europe. I’m in London (England) in a Victorian terrace (?rowhouse) within 10 minutes of two stations, a tram, many shops, cafes, restaurants etc. I have to say, I like old houses best – big windows, high ceilings. Modern ones are too boxy – my first flat was well-located and all that, but I never really *liked* it – too modern and cookie-cutter. Not to mention the neighbours leaving rude anonymous notes about parking in the wrong space.
This, I’m sure, is entirely unhelpful to you in your dilemma. But you did say that you liked to hear from other people…
Moved from an 850 sqft 1920’s craftsman rental in a diverse, walkable neighborhood we could never in a million years afford since it is gentrifying to a 1440 sqft home at the top of a hill with a view of the San Diego skyline and the bay. with a yard. And roosters. Across the street. And we are the only people who speak English. And I love it.
I live in the capital of fringeland, Bedford Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. I own a 4-story Victorian brownstone replete with fancy plasterwork, wood carvings and parquet floors. The garden is replete with mosquitoes, but I have a garden.
Would I like more shops, restaurants and a yoga studio? Of course. But coming home to my place makes my day every day. It’s an oasis.
I am in a bungalow in Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario Canada – wine country – we are across from a vineyard. It is beautiful, charming and wonderful. And we are selling. We will move into rental housing for a while until we decide on the next thing. For now, we don’t want to be grownups any more, we don’t want to have to pay for shingles and paint, we don’t want to shovel and cut grass, we want to travel and simplify …
I grew up in a tiny, old house in downtown San Jose way before it was hip to live downtown (3 br, 1 ba w/2 adults and 5 kids). We had our share of scary incidents – like the naked guy on PCP running through our backyard as police helicopters circled right above our roof…and the homeless guy passed out on the lawn that went into the craziest tirade of obscentities I’ve ever heard when the police told him to move. We weren’t allowed to wander too far from home, but there was a park we could walk to, a library (which I LOVED), a high school across the street so in the summertime we could hang out in the bleachers of the football field and numerous liquor stores that sold ice cream and candy.
Now the husband and I live out in the suburbs(ironically the same area he grew up in before he got hip and moved downtown). We bought a townhouse at just the right time – I think it’s still worth just about what we paid for it. Although we’re a 20 minute drive to the “city” I do love where we live. We’re right near a state park that we can hike in and see deer, rabbits and the occasional wild boar. Sometimes racoons descend into our tiny yard to bathe in the water fountain. Our house is HUGE compared to what I grew up in and since it’s just the 2 of us and our 2 cats we have plenty of room to spread out. We also have several wineries within close driving distance so winetasting has become our new favorite hobby.
I would like to eventually move to a “real” house far enough away from the city to have some peace and quiet, but not too far that meeting friends downtown for drinks would constitute a hotel reservation. Also, I don’t think I’d want to have a septic tank on my property…with my luck that would just be a shitty mess.
My parents live in a new subdivision, ranked the safest town in Canada. Even so, I STILL slept with a barricade in front of the door when I was alone in their house visiting. This was after living in downtown Toronto. Like you, I got used to people making noise/talking/fighting/whatever. Without people, it is eerie. Feels unsafe.
If I had a choice, I would move to a rowhouse in Toronto, or maybe Montreal. I would settle for a townhouse, but I do love the rowhouses… I currently live in an apartment, but am moving to a townhouse in 2 days. My 3 year old goes stir-crazy in the apartment now. Nowhere to burn energy. His sister, 10 months, doesn’t care yet. But she will! In a year or two, she’ll be running around in circles, too.
I live in Cheltenham which is in the ‘Cotswolds’ area of the UK.
We moved from Nottingham 3 years ago where we lived in an old Victorian inexpensive mid-terrace. We had spare cash to do the place up but little time/motivation to get round to doing just that. We moved because I missed seeing the Cotswold hills, being near my family and because crime levels in Nottingham aren’t great.
We now pay the earth for a 3 bedded semi-detached 1970’s style house that looks like every other house within 2-3 miles. It lacks character but it doesn’t have the problems an older house has. My daughter has her own room and we can stay here if we have another child. There is a little (secure) back garden that my little girl can play in whilst I do the dishes.
To look at, it’s certainly not my dream house and we have so little money left over once the whopping great mortgage is paid that we’re limited with what we can do to the place. But I feel part of a community here – my family near by, a supermarket, school, hairdresser, newsagents, pub, doctors, park and (most importantly) a library. There’s loads of other mums walking around with their buggies.
So, this is definately our home for now, where we are in our lives at this moment in time.